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Old 04-26-2002, 10:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Lamp compatability issues -

If the maximum allowable time is 4 meds - why not allow the owner of the equipment to place whatever lamps he feels like in the equipment so as long as it does not go over 4 meds in the given time frame? Surely - anyone with the proper meter can measure the output and post the time to reach 4 meds on the wall in the room with IST times according to a that time frame. Inspectors could check with the meter as well. Since lamps get weaker with age, the IST would not ever be stronger than the initial reading, and as time goes on, new readings could be taken with new postings of times. Is this not accomplishable or is there a downside that I am not seeing?

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I think it would confuse clients and likely annoy them if you kept changing the maximum tanning time. They may think you are trying to scam them out of time and you'd have to explain the changes in depth to each client and employee. I personally think it would be a headache to have to tell everyone that while they did 12 minutes in a certain machine 4 days ago, today they can only go 8. Why would you want to mess with things this way? Maybe I could see it if all your equipment is the same and you wanted to upgrade a couple to faster bulbs for variety- that way at least clients have options. I just know a lot of people get into a groove of tanning in a certain bed/booth for a certain time frame and they like to keep it that way- that's what they paid for.
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This is a great idea... but I can not believe the laziness or the mentality of some of the posters over here. Don - you are in the wrong place and you know it. You are wasting your knowledge on people who just want to read what you do but not do anything about it...

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Mike:

Most of the people who "check in" here also check in "over there" so both websites are serving the same base of clients. Of course, some go "over there" more and some choose to make this their "home" base; that's why they put more than one horse in a race! LOL

First of all, from a "theoretical" basis what you suggested is "doable" but from a "practical" basis it is not. The reason is the looming "Amendment 3 - Definition of a Manufacturer" that would make you the "Manufacturer of Record" if you changed the "performance" of a sunbed without the cooperation of the manufacturer. Obviously, putting 15 minute MTI sunlamps in a 20 minute MTI sunbed would be considered changing the performance characteristics.

I suggested last September (at the FDA/Indoor Tanning Industry Meeting) and again this February that the manufacturers send out a meter with the sunbed when you buy it and give you the "target" readings you should expect for that sunlamp/sunbed combination. Then, if you are outside of those parameters, you would have to find out why (the usual cause is improper voltage coming to the sunbed; too low and the te time gets longer; too high and the te time is reduced.

Then, Mike, IF you wanted to change the sunbed from a 20 minute MTI to a 15 (or 10) minute MTI, you would order new lamps from the manufacturer and they would give you the new "target" readings to expect.

A few companies (John at URI has a system like this) already let you change the basic 100 watt ballast system to a 10, 15, 20, 25 0r 30 minute MTI tanning unit. They do not (as far as I know) send out a meter to QC (quality control) the process but they could.

The "final" answer is to have a "self adjusting" sunbed that would "read" a code on the lamps and set itself accordingly.

Hope this helps.

Don

PS: The reason you have to have the cooperation of the manufacturer is that you must have (1) new stickers, and, (2) new pages for your instruction manual.
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Don our basic 20 min unit list 8 different types of lamps to use. We do not say they are compliant. However they are all approved to be used in this unit.
We also make available a small kit with a new timer chip and label. This way they can easy make the bed a 15 min max timer.(This kit will only work with these beds)
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John,

Do you call that "re-certification"?

Does URI remain "the manufacturer", even if salon owner does the kit work?

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Old 04-26-2002, 04:01 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Not recertified but original.
All we do is switch out the lable and timer, new manual and your set.

We already make the existing beds in 20,15 & 10 min. The beds are exactly the same the only thing that changes is the Lamps and timer.[ This Message was edited by: JOHN @ URI on 2002-04-26 16:02 ]
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sounds like a good idea.

But do bed makers want salons to be able to go these type of up and down grades them selves, it would cut into bed sales.

I would say the salon owner should be able to do this with all beds and booths, as long as the timers exposure sch. and instructions are updated.

This could easily be done with lamp bar codes or id numbers, a good machine would be able to be set to match the bar code and the exp. sch, and timer, would auto update.

This is long over due.

It not rocket science!

Who will be the first to offer this, UVR comes close!
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The Chipp has hit upon something here. Everything under the sun has barcodes now, except sunlamps?

As Te "bins" are developed, all 6 lamp mfgrs could etch bar code Te/bin on EVERY different type, regardless of whose private label company they go to.

So even though there might be 200+ private labels, there could be as few as ~10 unique bar codes. How simple. Quick - email the FDA.
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That would be Easy as pie.
So then the Regulators could match the Barcode from the lamp to one on the bed.
If they match= Hoooray compatibility.
If not = RED TAPE.
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