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Old 04-23-2002, 10:53 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Don,
remember years ago Westinghouse made a screw -in type Tanning lamp. It could be used in any lamp fixture with a standard socket. The FDA did away with this do to no timer being built in.

My question to you is: Why is the FDA allowing so many home units to be sold with out any tanning Certification or even basic training.

Who knows how long these people tan for, if the timers even work, if eyewear is worn, if proper sanitation is done.
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John:

For the same reason(s) that they do not try to "regulate" tanning outdoors.

1. They do not have jurisdiction over the people who buy home tanning beds or who tan outdoors.

2. They don't have the resources to regulate them even if they did have jurisdiction.

3. They realize that the public outcry would be too loud for them to tolerate if they tried to regulate home tanning beds and tanning outdoors.

So, what DID the FDA try to do to "de facto" regulate home tanning beds out of the market? They proposed an "irradiance cap" of 0.3 W/m2 for home tanning beds. This means that the "fastest" that a home tanning bed could "deliver" 4.0 MED would be 44 minutes!

Such is the "devious" mind of the "thought police" that TRY to regulate our every activity.

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What about the possiblity of requiring the manufactor to train these customers on the proper use of the tanning bed.

Or better yet... making the manufactor purchase a membership (for ohh um 2 year minuimum fees.)to smart tan... for these customers..
(A seprate unique part of Smart Tan function... like home use information..)
Of course the manufacturer would eventually work the cost into the beds cost..
But this option would:
A. Educate customers of home units..
B. Generate money for Smart Tan.

Just a thought.. How could we get a proposal like that going Don?
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Old 04-24-2002, 08:10 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Could they make them say Not Approved or regulated by the FDA.
If the FDA is going to limit tanning times or some of the other BS they had planned on doing. They could at least make the Company who sells the home unit give a 4 hour certification class.

This would for sure curb some of the Basement tanners and bring them into salons.
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Old 04-25-2002, 01:06 AM   #5 (permalink)
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The company give a class???
UUmm too much room for the company that sell the beds...IMHO!
How about a outside association.. that could be controlled .. you know the sales guys are going to:
A. Throw a few phamplets with the invoice.
B. charge the customers for the "training"
and certificate. (like they don't already make enough $$)
C. Sign off on whatever paperwork is required for the certification.

That is a not going to work..
Home units need to be regulated even moreso then commercial.
Let the home unit owners pay the price, Association fees, insurance, and certifications, regulatory fees(in states this applies).. like us.
Watch home unit sales drop realllllll fast when this happens...
OK OK I can dream.. Anyways it would be a start! If we could make something like this happen!!!
Who ever could make this happen .. I promise to idolize!!
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I know it will never happen... but wouldn't it be nice if home tanners had to acquire a license just as they would to drive a car? It shouldn't be as easy as getting a fishing license, but it shouldn't be as complex as getting a driver's license. They would have a small booklet, like the driver's manual and teach about exposure limits, benefits of lotions and the importance of eye protection. Just like with driver's license, you have to find someone to teach you bed maintenance. I bet if they had to have a license to have a home unit, there would be a lot fewer people buying them. But it also could open a new market for folks to write and teach. I wonder what the Big Brother would do with the money gathered from the licenses?
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John/MJ/ Bronze :

ALL government agencies, FDA included, are having trouble getting money for ANYTHING that isn't related to terrorism. Thus, any new regulation that can't be enforced by the regulated states (and THEY are having budget problems of their own) will be words on paper only.

Think about this issue for a moment. How many FBI agents would be needed (and how many "narcing" neighbors!) would be necessary to "police" any regulations on home tanning beds. And more importantly, does anyone think that the politicians will open this can of worms? Maybe someday this won't be true but right now "free choice" is still one of the rights American's hold dear.

Furthermore, it is my understanding that most of the home bed sales are done over the telephone (people obviously respond the the direct mail cards that are sent and the "ads" in the local papers) and that doesn't provide much of an opportunity to "educate" the prospective buyer.

Finally, IF the FDA (and the politicians) wanted to do something to REALLY improve the health of the American public, don't you think that regulation of tobacco (cigarettes) would be a good place to start? So why don't they regulate them? This came out in the legal decisions that the states filed whereby it was "noted" that the tobacco companies must be ALLOWED to operate in order to generate the money to pay the settlement that was awarded the states. So let's see if I understand this. We KNOW that tobacco is harmful and kills hundreds of thousands of people each year but we'll close our eyes to that "inconvenient" fact in order to generate "blood money" for the politicians to waste. Makes you glad to be an American, doesn't it!

So, the "bottom line" is that NO ACTION will be taken against tanning either at home or outside in sunlight but there WILL be action against the indoor tanning industry if we don't "proactively" protect our best interests!

There IS a way, however, for the indoor tanning industry to take control of our own destiny that will, shortly, unfold before your very eyes!

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How about regulations restricting the use of knives in homes.... in an effort to decrease deaths due to domestic violence.

There are many amoung us who shudder at the very word "regulations". The word is associaed with control and how much control should the government have IN the homes of the nation ???
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Is the word really "regulate"? Just my own random thoughts on this... while I understand that the government likes to impose it's standards on us and in all likelihood will eventually happen if we allow it. But the need is for real education... and not just for home users but for the "regulators" themselves. Seems that through education the need for regulation diminishes. I can still remember when other industries were de-regulated and what that meant to them as well as to the consumer. Those who cry for regulation now will someday be banner carriers for de-regulation.

Krives=tanning... c'mon Mori, I expect more from you.
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John:

Here's how we handle the client who is contemplating buying a home tannning bed. (They usually say that a "friend" is considering buying one, BTW.)

Rather than try to talk them out of it, we simply say - Let's take a look at what your "friend" needs to know to "do it right" before he/she (you!) buy a home tanning bed.

1. I tell them about the expense they will incur for electrical and security features (more about that later).

2. I tell them about the need to check with their homeowners policy to make sure that anyone out of the immediate family who tans is covered (many homeowner policies "exclude" coverage for injuries from tanning beds) and this gets them to thinking about liability. I point out that a friend or neighbor who tans for free can (and probably will!) sue them if they get sunburned.

3. I tell them that, if they have children, they need to set up a "key controlled" device to limit access to the unit when they are not home (once again, the "liability" issue).

4. I tell them what to expect in terms of maintenance of the unit, i.e., the cost of relamping, etc., and the difficulty in getting someone to repair it if they have problems (don't call me, I tell them!).

The "usual" pattern is that when I ask them later if their "friend" bought a home tanning bed, they say that, after looking at the "downside" and talking to their insurance agent, their "friend" decided not to buy one.

The "bottom line" is that the great majority of people who buy home tanning beds don't understand either the liabilities that they are assuming or the "true" costs of tanning at home.

Educate or regulate?

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