Westside V&T

Thanks, i'm not taking it personally, but i wouldn't call that a tell it like it is personality. i told him how it was written on the label and he told me i was misunderstanding. So he was just incorrect not telling it like it is. i get that you guys have been doing this for a long time but the math is still escaping me. How do you clean a tan room in LESS than 2 min is the spray has to be left on to sanitize FOR 2 min?

Brian Oshman

Trolling....

Westside V&T

Wow. now thats taking things personally. i didn't say you were leading me down a rat hole or that your ideas wouldnt be best for 90% of salons. What i said is that if i did that i would lose a huge portion of my customer base and that would be stupid of me. Just because you know what you are talking about doesn't mean you know best for every case. Internet trolls are people who scope out message boards to give people headaches and be generally unkind and unhelpful and to hinder discussion progress. if anyone is a troll here it is not me. i am a person who bought a business because the price was unbeatable and because the previous owner was going to take all that money people spent on Christmas gift cards and tan packages and lock the doors up on Jan 1. i took this risk because that is a sh%$ty thing to do to people. i have already greatly improved the profitability of the store. Knowing so little about tanning i turn to tan talk which touts itself as a place where experienced and inexperienced business owners can share ideas opinions about all parts of the tanning industry. What it does not say is that new business owners either are not allowed to ask questions or they will be pressured into placing their livelihood into the hands of others. I get that offering short tan times and no appointments works for you, that's great. If it wasn't ridiculous i would invite you to spend a day in my store meeting my customer base and see if you had the same advice as you dispense from across the U.S.


Wow a new business owner asks for opinions and you insult their business and are surprised when they don't clamor to follow your lead i'm glad you found what works for for you but my not doing what you say does not make you wrong. you are too sensitive and jump to unsaid statements. You are not wrong for you just for me. As for hackin' quite frankly if anyone had ever told me i would own a tanning place (or video for that matter) id have said they were crazy. i dont love tanning i never did it before working here i hold 3 degrees and have had major success in my own field. i managed this store as a favor to a neighbor, it was to be temporary and was not to end up with me buying the place. if i loved tanning and it was all i ever wanted to do and i grew up thinking someday a tan salon of my very own....well i would not have 3 beds in the back of a video store. But that is not the case so keep your insults to yourself while i make the best of what i have tanned well over 20 people today and while that is pretty small numbers for a stand alone tan salon, i am not a stand alone tan salon, nor do i want to be. In fact there is only 1 stand alone tan salon in the entire town. i compete with salons with $40,000 beds and my customers like my "crappy base beds" just fine, they tell me they work better and i have no reason to disagree. Trust me where i am and where you are are like different planets. i everyone from Paris wanna be's to Larry the cable guy wanna be's and everyone in between, you have no idea. here i am not hackin' i am quaint. trust me at one point i will go away, you have succeeded in chasing away people who have not done this a long long time GOOD jOB, what a great asset to this site you are, just make sure they change the slogan to "30+ year experienced tanning salon business owners community" and then you never have to deal with people you haven't already hashed everything out with over and over again ever again. No thank you i will just get my advice from people who have been in the industry longer than you who are civilized to other people because they are a phone call away and MUCH more helpful.

i didn't actually give you any advice and i certainly didn't say you would do better taking appointments i said it would cause my business to fail, just mine not yours not telling you anything or anyone else. Talking about my salon not the tanning industry in general. Again i have spent my life pursuing more important aspirations than tanning, if it weren't for the vit. D and UV factor and how tanning has helped my seasonal affective disorder when i am stuck in the northern hemisphere for winter, id have sold them already. Did someone hurt you when you were little or were you just born an a%&hole?

Actually, i took the tan certification practice test and got a 98% without any education in tanning at all. i get that to you this is rocket science, but its not. If you call me an idiot for asking question, then i defiantly will not listen to a word you have to say. Smart people ask LOTS of questions what is the first step of the scientific method? observe, ask questions research past information. First step there are more so no one should do step one and then draw conclusions, which is what you are asking me to do actually you are asking me to soley listen to one piece of step one and draw conclusions. Like whales i see live in the water so they are fish and the world is flat. Yes a lot of things i posted are a major problem hence when i took over the salon the first thing i started doing was gathering information about how it should be and making changes. Do you not understand the point here or what? Yes the smart thing to do when you just by a business is close it, see you are just trying to sack my business and are not trying to help it be a success. Big surprise, jerk from new jersey or wherever does not have the best interests of my business in mind, maybe that is why i will not blindly follow your advice.

Seriously? You are dealing with a human being too and you have no idea of my position we are two random people on the internet, you don't know who i am and i don't know who you are and i am in exactly the position to discount dispute ignore and debate whatever i want and so are you it is called free speech and i will still do what is best for my business in my town, if you want to take that so personally, you have issues, but that is your prerogative. So if a lawyer walked up to you ( or better yet answered a general post you had about something else in an online forum) and said a murder was just committed in town and it is really in your best interest to confess to it. You would simply defer to his experience in the field and confess to a murder you didn't commit (hint* that too is not smart) irresponsible would be continuing to run this salon as it has been run for the last 24 years. As the owners before me did. i started researching tanning. The industry the procedures etc. Now that it is my salon i am improving the beds, the procedures and after the beds are revamped and the store is painted and the new marketing is out and my other business has a few things done with it, i will get around the the training that i need to improve my cert, test by that last 2%.

Maybe if you didn't treat new salon owners like S%&T and let civilized helpful people answer the questions the industry would get to what you want. All i can say id that the tanning industry has bigger problems than me trying to improve my little salon. Hopefully you are not one of many owners who employs dippy little teenage girls who say, "the pros and cons of tanning are like that it makes you look hot, and thinner, tee hee, cons there are no cons" This is nearly a direct quote from a youtube video titled the pros and cons of tanning. Videos like those and employee like those (which are all i have ever seen in any tan salon BUT mine who know the actual pros and cons of tanning) are really what drags down your precious industry. Oh and poor math skills that also drags down your industry. Quite frankly i will not take business advice from people who can not do basic math. Once again can anyone explain how you can clean a room in LESS than two minutes when the sanitizing spray has to sit for 2 min? Understand your label and all that, right? So really you guys say you are sanitizing properly and that all that training matters but you dont actually do it. Who is the bigger problem to the industry newbies learning how to do it right or people who feel they have been doing this so long they can lie about their places being sanitary when they are not? hmmm. ewwwww. Just so you know, you do not need to answer Brian, you are a brick wall and have really ruined this forum for me, i don't have time for pointless debates with overly irate jerks. There is better info that is easier to get and i have a salon to run.

Brian Oshman

{tee hee hee}

Wow is all I can say.


First, you have plenty of time to play with that rant you left. It would kill you to not comment again.

I read a couple of times in your diatribe that you possess those coveted "business degrees", ha ha ha...what a joke. Anyone with business sense would have ran far away from that dump. You did the opposite and involved emotion with your bad decision. Why would you care if the last jacka$$ ripped everyone off? It wasn't your problem. You made a bad decision and that is not a decision that anybody with a "business degree" makes. Making a dumb move like that is just dumb. Bad business.

You bought a $h!thole and it will be very difficult for you to make the right decisions because you are running it based on emotion and allowing the tail to wag the dog. You have no money to invest into it to make it work and the writing was on the wall when the last owner was bailing out, because it was a sinking ship. It has nothing left.

Whether you listen to me and the others or not makes zero difference to me whatsoever. We need people like you to come here and show the community what not to do. You keep it green, you keep it real. Thank you for that, it is at your sacrifice however.

Another problem is that a person with a "business degree" does not get involved in a business blindly, that they know nothing about. They also do not get involved in a business that they do not have an interest in or passion for. That makes no sense either. No knowledge, no interest, no desire, no clue.

I don't care if you listen to me or not. I, as well as others here have been dishing out solid advice to those that ask for a long long time now and these formulas work everywhere. You are not in some unique area. I have seen hundreds and hundreds of owners just like you come and go thinking that they know everything and will re-invent the wheel only to be gone in less than a year. They didn't listen, they made poor choices, they made bad investments suckered into some rat hole deal because they didn't' research, didn't listen, and then didn't change.

I don't care, I will sit here and play with you like a cat with a ball of yarn batting you around.