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Old 05-31-2009, 10:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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Re: Replacing lamps with higher watts, is that ok?

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I was told this same thing by a rep! My level one beds are 36 lamps and i replaced them with 100w lamps with reflectors. I was told that with the reflectors i could reduce my tanners time from 20 to 15 with the same results... Is this not true?


You gotta remember, these people are salesmen. They want to sell you something, so they will tell you anything. The ONLY way you are gonna TRUELY cut your 20 Minute bed time down, is to put some lamps with ALOT of UVB in them. You will ALWAYS have people that do the max, but they will think twice about it on a busy day. I can DEFINITELY tell you that a 100 Watt Reflecto Lamp in a bed with no reflectors will not perform as well as most aggressive lamps (high UVB %). I use Equator Sun Lamps in my 20 minute bed, and most people do 15 max. I have a few that try to go 20, but they are leather skinned. These lamps burn you everytime you tan in them over 7-10 minutes. I think the UVB is around 6.5-7.5% (and that is REALLY high considering Cosmolux VHR160 TT's are around a 4%UVB). I suggest that ANYTIME you want a straight answer on Tanning Lamps from someone who absolutely knows everything about tanning lamps.... Call John Hayes @ UltraViolet Resources. Ever since 2005 Ive been getin my lamps from him, and he has NEVER steered me wrong.

Also, I read in a post above that the disty was gonna give someone a new sticker and claim their 20 min bed as a 15 min bed because of the "magical Lamps".... Anyone can order a 15 min bed time sticker and slap it on a bed- but thats dishonest, and not good business practice. Put the highest UVB lamp you can get in there, and I guarantee NOBODY wines about not gettin color, because they will ALL get red....
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Re: Replacing lamps with higher watts, is that ok?

Hello Robert I own a tanning salon and I am new to it. I am looking for tanning lamps for my sundash genesis The tanning lamps are f73-t12-120 I was wondering if you know where I could find these lamps or is their another lamp that I could replace this one with that will be hotter and tan quicker...Thanks Sheila
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You gotta remember, these people are salesmen. They want to sell you something, so they will tell you anything. The ONLY way you are gonna TRUELY cut your 20 Minute bed time down, is to put some l.amps with ALOT of UVB in them. You will ALWAYS have people that do the max, but they will think twice about it on a busy day. I can DEFINITELY tell you that a 100 Watt Reflecto L.amp in a bed with no reflectors will not perform as well as most aggressive l.amps (high UVB %). I use Equator Sun L.amps in my 20 minute bed, and most people do 15 max. I have a few that try to go 20, but they are leather skinned. These l.amps burn you everytime you tan in them over 7-10 minutes. I think the UVB is around 6.5-7.5% (and that is REALLY high considering Cosmolux VHR160 TT's are around a 4%UVB). I suggest that ANYTIME you want a straight answer on Tanning L.amps from someone who absolutely knows everything about tanning l.amps.... Call John Hayes @ UltraViolet Resources. Ever since 2005 Ive been getin my l.amps from him, and he has NEVER steered me wrong.

Also, I read in a post above that the disty was gonna give someone a new sticker and claim their 20 min bed as a 15 min bed because of the "magical L.amps".... Anyone can order a 15 min bed time sticker and slap it on a bed- but thats dishonest, and not good business practice. Put the highest UVB lamp you can get in there, and I guarantee NOBODY wines about not gettin color, because they will ALL get red....
This post is full of incorrect information. First off, a reflector l.amp will cut down the time and will also improve performance. Installing non reflector high UVB l.amps will also cut down the time but it will not improve performance, it just makes the bed a fry baby bed. The reflector increases total output and increases performance in a shorter time. If reflector l.amps were junk then why are they in every high performance bed and not the high UVB l.amps you are suggesting are?

Also, you are spouting off percent this and percent that, well, percent of what? Here is an example that will show you that you have no clue.

See, the real way to measure output is in mW/cm².

Now, let's say that I have a l.amp that puts out 25 mW/cm² A+B (total UV) and has an output of 1 mW/cm² B (UVB only) then the percent UVB is 1/25 = .04 x 100 = 4% UVB.

Now we have another l.amp that has an output of 50 mW/cm² A+B (total UV) and has an output of 1 mW/cm² B (UVB only) then the percent B is 1/50 = .02 x 100 = 2% UVB.

Which l.amp is stronger? Is it the 2% or the 4%?

Well it is the 2% UVB because we have all of the facts and not just the marketing hype. The UVB output between both l.amps is EXACTLY THE SAME!!! Which is 1 mW/cm² B. The second l.amp however has twice the UVA which will tan much better. You will get much more browning power out of lamp 2 even though it calculates out to less "percent" UVB.

Are you starting to see why this percent value is bull$h!t and misleading?

A reflector l.amp will intensify the UVA which is what you want for a "real tan", not a reddening, fast fading one. Both l.amps have the same exact UVB level and enough to get the melanin activated in your skin but the second one has the power to turn that melanin brown and get what is it we are selling? That's right, a real, long lasting tan.

So, the next time you hear that a l.amp is Blah, Blah, Blah "percent UVB", then ask the question, "percent of what?"

Now, onto the topic of just slapping a sticker on a bed. Well, that is a violation of the FDA to do so. A bed needs to be re certified to do this. In a regulated state you will need to have a company come in and use a spectroradiometer to measure each nanometer of the UV spectrum with the new lamp that you want the bed to be certified with and compose a new exposure schedule.

Then you will need to keep a log and measurements of the bed and you also become the listed manufacturer of the bed, not the company that originally built it. This will cost you in the neighborhood of $2500-$3000 dollars a bed to re certify it. Also, you can not simply cert one bed in your salon and then put the label on the other beds of the same exact type and call it a day. You will have to register and certify each and every on individually and three grand a pop.

Now, let's get back to the fact that you now become listed as the manufacturer that now means that if anything happens to a customer it is solely your responsibility as far as liability goes because you are now registered as the manufacturer of that bed with the FDA.

It is not as simple and dry cut as you think it is to just simply slap a sticker on the bed. Check with your insurance company and see if there is any increase in your policy premium (which there will be) and that will not just go under your standard salon policy, you will need a manufacturers policy on that.

It is not really cost effective to re certify crappy little beds. It is just more cost effective to just replace them and a lot less liability on you instead of recertification.
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Re: Replacing lamps with higher watts, is that ok?

Brian one thing for sure....Over here you will have to work.
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Frankie, I have always had to work. It is now time to reach more of the industry that has been neglected for all of these years. After all, don't we want a more professional, informed, educated industry overall? This is about setting standards, not advertising dollars.

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Since we now have a lamp forum and this comes up a lot, I moved it and made it a sticky!
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Re: Replacing lamps with higher watts, is that ok?

Well maybe what I meant was you will be working overtime. It is so true we need a more professional industry and when someone does not know you cant put a 160wt lamp in a 100wt socket it is time for some major education. Good luck.
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Re: Replacing lamps with higher watts, is that ok?

Well you can put 160watt in 100watt and vice versa. It's just not recommended.
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Re: Replacing lamps with higher watts, is that ok?

You can drive a 160 watt l.amp with a 100 watt ballast and it will be driven at 100 watt. It is just a waste of money as the 160 watt l.amp is more expensive and it will just yield the same output and results as the actual 100 watt version on the same brand and type.

You cannot use a 100 watt l.amp driven by a 160 watt ballast as it will just burn out in about 25 to 50 hours as the cathodes in the l.amp will not tolerate the higher wattage.

The gas fill and phosphorus blend will be identical however and that is the reason that the 100 and 160 watt l.amps each driven by the 100 watt ballast will be the same in output, just the components of the 160 are heartier.
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