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Old 01-14-2015, 01:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Silver Bullet VS Cayenne

I need to upgrade a level that currently has a TA Malibu as a the best bed. This is my level 3 and in my Level 4 I have 2 Hp beds from sun italia.

I really like both of these beds and I am having a hard time making up my mind. All of the Cayenne's I am looking at are the version 1's from 2005-2006 in great condition and all under 2000 hrs. They are also about half the price of the silver bullets.

The SE's have both been 2008 and also low hours. One only has a few hundred on it. I know they are both upgrades but I also don't want something that may take away from my King and Saturn HP's.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Silver Bullet VS Cayenne

The HP is all together difference tanning process, with that said I would go with the Silver Bullet. I believe the Cayenne a little stronger. keep it low as to get to upgrade to better bed, cayenne will be a higher bed and may not get customer to up grade.
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I need to upgrade a level that currently has a TA Malibu as a the best bed. This is my level 3 and in my Level 4 I have 2 Hp beds from sun italia.

I really like both of these beds and I am having a hard time making up my mind. All of the Cayenne's I am looking at are the version 1's from 2005-2006 in great condition and all under 2000 hrs. They are also about half the price of the silver bullets.

The SE's have both been 2008 and also low hours. One only has a few hundred on it. I know they are both upgrades but I also don't want something that may take away from my King and Saturn HP's.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

What are your Level 1 and Level 2 beds and what do you charge currently as a the walk-in price for the 4 levels?
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Re: Silver Bullet VS Cayenne

Level 1 - TA Santa Barbaras - $10

Level 2 - TA Pacificas - $14

Level 3 TA Malibu & Sundash 252 Stand up - $16

Level 4 Sun Italia King & Saturn - $32

I would like to eventually start charging more for Level 3 but it is about as high as it can go right now. I don't plan on chraging more for the first little while after upgrading but will look at it after customers have had the new bed for a few months. At that time hopefully start looking at a better stand up as well as this one is starting to look a little tired.

In the Malibu I am using a beach sun reflector which is a pretty aggressive lamp. Which makes it very much different from my Hp beds so I am also having trouble trying to figure out when I upgrade if I should stick with this style of lamp or go with a new era style lamp. As the Malibu is popular with darker skin types and my fairer clients love the HP.
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Re: Silver Bullet VS Cayenne

The other forum that can not be mention always gets a bad rap in here but I asked this question over there and go so much good advice and help. So much so I think I have almost made my decsion.

I have made 3 times as many post over there for this very reason. I always get help and no one has ever been a bully to me. If anything tan talk seems to have about a half a dozen people who have something to say on every topic and each one seems to be right and everyone else is wrong.

I would love to post more on here as I am sure their is alot of knowledge that has great advice but I have yet to have been ever given any of it.

This is by far the best froum for pure amusement sprinkled with wisdom if you have time to read all the rehased babble.

This dose not mean you have to stop posting because I have leaned things here it just takes a lor more free time as you weed through the daily soap operas.

Just thought I would ask one last time...does anyone have anyhting to add to my origianl question?

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Re: Silver Bullet VS Cayenne

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The other forum that can not be mention always gets a bad rap in here but I asked this question over there and go so much good advice and help. So much so I think I have almost made my decsion.

I have made 3 times as many post over there for this very reason. I always get help and no one has ever been a bully to me. If anything tan talk seems to have about a half a dozen people who have something to say on every topic and each one seems to be right and everyone else is wrong.

I would love to post more on here as I am sure their is alot of knowledge that has great advice but I have yet to have been ever given any of it.

This is by far the best froum for pure amusement sprinkled with wisdom if you have time to read all the rehased babble.

This dose not mean you have to stop posting because I have leaned things here it just takes a lor more free time as you weed through the daily soap operas.

Just thought I would ask one last time...does anyone have anyhting to add to my origianl question?
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yes... tan today bullies and they suck
I have never been bullied there. But I always get help. I have learned so much there. This site has good info but you really have to wade though all the *****ing and moaning to find anything of any really value.

Does no one in here really have any useful advice they can pass on in regards to a silver bullet ve cayenne comparision.
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Re: Silver Bullet VS Cayenne

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The other forum that can not be mention always gets a bad rap in here but I asked this question over there and go so much good advice and help. So much so I think I have almost made my decsion.

I have made 3 times as many post over there for this very reason. I always get help and no one has ever been a bully to me. If anything tan talk seems to have about a half a dozen people who have something to say on every topic and each one seems to be right and everyone else is wrong.

I would love to post more on here as I am sure their is alot of knowledge that has great advice but I have yet to have been ever given any of it.

This is by far the best froum for pure amusement sprinkled with wisdom if you have time to read all the rehased babble.

This dose not mean you have to stop posting because I have leaned things here it just takes a lor more free time as you weed through the daily soap operas.

Just thought I would ask one last time...does anyone have anyhting to add to my origianl question?

Re this specific post.....

For what it is worth - I saw your post over on Tantoday (nobody said you can't mention it here, and if it gets a "bad rap", that is from some specific posters who have had specific problems with specific posters there....).............

3 total people responded to your thread there.

One said (paraphrasing) - "I have Silver Bullets - the are work horses."

One said - "Cayenne is one of the best beds out there. Old Silver Bullet is better than new"

And one gave you some very specific opinions on what they like or don't like about the different beds, things to look out for, and told you they had had them side by side in their salon and what customers preferred.

11 total posts in the thread. 5 of them are from you, giving more information/details/questions that are NOT here, helping to flesh out your original post. And 3 people who responded - with basically 1 of those three giving you a lot of specifics.


On THIS site - you asked the same question.

TWO responders so far to your original question, rather than the 3 you had there.

ONE gave their opinion and back up to why they feel that way.

ONE asked for more information (that was ME) - which you provided - and haven't followed back up yet.

To this - in just 3 days after you originally posted, including a weekend -- you have come back, to take the time to lay down a pretty scathing beat down of why you prefer another "business", why this "business" is not helpful and doesn't fit your needs, why you personally have been a 3x more "loyal customer" at the other business ----- and then ask for more help.


To put it in perspective - when I just read what you wrote - it felt like a customer walking into your salon who you don't really know or recognize and saying in front of a lobby full of people:

"I'd like your best bed - and I'd like it right now - and I'd like it at an extreme discount. I NORMALLY tan at your competitor up the street. I like their salon a lot better. I spend my money there and I feel like it is well spent. To be honest, your place is a bit of a dump in my opinion. But I'm in a hurry and don't have time to drive to their salon today so I guess I'll tan at your crappy place. And I understand that person sitting on the bench is already waiting to tan on your best bed, but I don't feel like waiting, so jump me in line in front of them right now. And here is $5 for your $20 bed - I don't feel like paying more".

"Now - are you going to put me in that bed right now for $5 or not?!?!"
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Re: Silver Bullet VS Cayenne

You COULD have posted:

"Hey - bumping my original post. Trying to finalize my decision. Some people have told me that the Original SB is better than the new one but others say that the Cayenne will be better than either of them. I've also heard that if you turn down the facials on the SB it will turn down the tube lamps....am I understanding that correctly? Anyone run into that?"

And then see what responses - if any - you get.
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SO - at the risk of being one of the "a half a dozen people who have something to say on every topic and each one seems to be right and everyone else is wrong." you were demeaning here, I'll follow up with my original post and your reply.......


1. Either the SB or Cayenne will outperform the Malibu.


2. Both will seem "hotter" to the client than the Malibu, primarily because of the much more intense facial tanners. This will be compounded if you have the Electronic Ballast Malibu rather than Magnetic because it run particularly cool.


3. Either the SB or Cayenne will have more "wow factor" than the Malibu - the presence in the room, the AC, misters if you utilize that option etc


4. YOU are only going to pick one - a Cayenne, original SB or new SB. So your customers will not "compare" them and have a preference of one over the other. So you can buy any of the 3 and given the above points, the customers will perceive a positive upgrade from the Malibu.


5. NONE of these beds should interrupt your HP sales. They will give a completely different type of tan at a completely different price point. It shouldn't make a different to that level at all.


6. You noted that the Cayennes are relatively late model, in good condition, low hours (in general and for their year) and priced at half of the Silver Bullet price. At 2000 hours it would be likely that you could see Acrylic wear and tear and they are expensive to replace. So assuming the Cayennes have good acrylics, they would definitely be the better "bang for your buck" compared to a Silver Bullet at twice the price. Twice the price for newer and lower hours is "fair" for the bed seller to be charging - but 200 hours vs 2000 hours won't make any difference to your customers - just cost you twice as much. But you may prefer a newer bed, the "look" of one or the other, one seller over another etc - so price won't just reflect hours/year as a factor in your decision.

7. In terms of placing them with your Radius now, keeping it at the $16 walk-in "for awhile", then trying to bump the price, and then maybe later trying to replace the Radius.....

The BEST time to try to increase the price - will be when you bring the bed in. Very hard to bring it in as a $16 bed to replace a $16 bed - and then LATER say "well, just kidding - it is really a $18 bed"

Compared to how many salons in the US would do their walk-in pricing, your Santa Barbaras and Pacificas are HIGH for what they deliver in performance, and you have twice as big a price jump from your SB's to Pacificas as you do from your Pacificas to Malibu/Radius - even though the difference in performance there is about the same.

Not knowing what your OTHER pricing is, it is hard to make exact recommendations, but assuming it flows from the walkin pricing, it would be VERY reasonable to move that level up to a $18 tan - NOW, when you bring in the new equipment.

Let EVERY customer "try" the new bed for $5 when you first get it. Permanently. A "new bed special'. Even if they don't get to your salon until July - if they are an existing customer and haven't tried the new bed - $5. ( I assume you already have some sort of package for new customers to try all your equipment and so they will get to use it through that package).

Then - post your new prices but give everyone 30 days to purchase as much "Level 3 packages" at the former pricing as they would like. After 30 days - new pricing is in effect.

Note - you may get SOME pushback on your standup. That is - it used to be a $16 tan and tanned as well or BETTER than the Malibu. Now it will be raised to $18, and may seem LESS than a Cayenne or Silver Bullet. And they are the "NEW" thing - while the Radius is "seeming a little worn...". So you will really have to PUSH customers to "rotate" - the "up" bed or the "down" - whatever is open and available. Would also be a good time to do a REALLY good DEEP CLEAN of your Radius and it's room - spruce it up. And if it is even close to needing new lamps - put them in! Make that unit "pop" at that level and seem like just as good an option.



Hope that helps.
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