Backasol

Hi everybody.

There are new rules no in Sweden. My old Kettler Siena will be illegal within a month and now i have to buy a new bed. They will also change the maximum tanning to 15 min. My customers are often tanning between 18-30 min. 80w canopy and 100w in bed.


First of all, its a small simple tanning studio with low turn over. Its not possible to spend a lot of money for a brand new bed. But i have a masseur renting a room in the studio to lower my costs.
I've been checking out those used bed thats for sale on internet, could you please give me some advice about them. My thoughts are, how much is it worth to spend twice the price on a bed for a small (hobby) tanning studio with only two beds. And your experiences for using, installing those beds etc. Quality.

Here's my options today,

Luxura X7 Bling (42 Sli High Intensive) = About 7440 USD
160W + 4 HPA400W

Excellence 800 , Inspiration 400 = 9870-8351 USD

Evolution 600 , Avantgarde 600 = 6832 USD

And a bit curious about this cheap on
Ergoline 350 = 3036 USD
36x160w + 3hpa 400w

Most important, good bed for new rule with 15 min.

I really appreciate any type of tips and answers. Ive been trying to contact the dealers regarding this but i dont feel that they really listen and care about what would be best for me. Im mostly thinking about the Luxura x7 or Ergoline 350.

Thanks a lot in advance / Joakim

Black Sun

What other beds do you have in your mix?

As a side note, the Ergo 350 is an older style bed, so I would eliminate it off the top. Also, the beds mentioned are a lot more powerful/AC/Electric upgrades to the room(s) may be needed.

Are you saying you have only 2 beds total, or need to replace two..little confused

...just share what you have, your present layout, and I am sure you will get better replies

Backasol

Thanks for your response.
Today i have one Kettler Siena and one UWE TuttiFrutti.
Old and not powerful at all.

Im not really sure about the AC. I guess its quite poor. Not connected to the tanning beds now. 3x16A in the rooms. 3x25A "incoming head fuses". Think i can upgrade them to 35A.

Today i got to know that those ergoline beds that i asked for is imported by the owner himself and not legal after this month. Except the 350.

So today im looking at:
Ergoline Advantage 350 36 x 160W = 2900 USD
Ergoline Advantage 400 TP 40x160w = 7600 USD
SunVision 568 XXL 24x160w + 18x120w =6900 USD
Luxura X7 Bling 42 SLI high intensive = 7500 USD

Its a very small saloon. Just two beds, and both of them has to be replaced. Since my existing beds are really old, i dont feel the need to upgrade to the most modern beds today. My customers arent really picky and theres no competition in this part of the city. So im looking for a good 15 min bed for a good price.

Called the dealers in Sweden. Ergoline says that they are outstanding. The other one says the same, "Luxura is the ****" . Same with Alisun/sunvision XXL 568. So i asked here for some honest advices.

I feel that they only trying to get me to buy a bed from them, instead of a used bed on the "swedish ebay" called blocket.se . So i dont really trust them.

Thank you in advance, i appreciate any kind of information from you guys.

Black Sun

The UWE/TuttiFrutti is the UWE Tropical in the USA. Though an 'old' bed, it is a good bed.

You mention the rules in Sweden have changed, and need to replace the Kettler (That was a good bed at one time, sold briefly in the USA back in the 90's), do you need to rid of the UWE also? If not, keep it. I would go with Ergoline, and if the dealer you could get it from is an authorized Ergo dealer, I'd feel comfortable with them.
The Luxura bed is a ProSun in the USA, but not as good as the Ergo. Alisun beds too were good and still are. Not as popular in the USA as they once were. In fact, I thought Alisun was the Euro arm of USA ProSun.

I would not buy any bed off ebay, unless you are able to see it perform before you buy, and BE THERE when they ready it to be shipped to you. You would need someone to connect it, so going thru a reputable dealer would be better, since 'set-up' could be part of the sale.
Out of the two Ego beds mentioned, the Advantage 400 would be my choice. Only because more lamps, better upgrade from the UWE (if you keep it).
Hope this helps

Backasol

Okey i see. I've never understood why they have different names on the beds for different countries. Actually im in contact with UWE now, they wanted to help me so they asked me to send the serial nr of the beds. Hope they can solve it and give me a certification for the "EN 60335-2-27 - 2003" standard. Really surprised they are willing to help me with those old beds. Got to give them cred for that, since they dont even have a dealer for sweden and probably wont sell any beds there in the near future.

My plan is to pick up the bed myself if i buy it on "second hand" (dont know the correct word, "used beds"). I've read a lot about the ergoline beds. What makes them better than the others?
I mean, if i look at the specifications. Watt/lamps/equipment it looks quite the same as the Alisun and Sunpro x7 . Is it all about the quality and service that makes Ergoline so much better, or have missed something regarding the lamps and functionality between those beds?

The reason im asking is because there are some Luxura/Prosun x7 beds for sale for a very reasonable price. So just curious about how much more it is worth to spend to get an Ergoline.

Thank you very much for your help so far, very helpful!

Black Sun

There is nothing wrong with the Alisun beds. I only base my preference for Ergoline merely based on popularity in the states, tho never a big fan of Ergo (I call them EGO) due to their extravagant designs and candy look appeal (somebody pays for all this extravagance). The Alisun is a good bed. In fact, until recently were still being marketed in the states, just not well-known here. But that could be due to lack of marketing.

If the price is right, the beds in good shape, then consider them. They tan good, and in the end that is what matters. You would save over the Ergo. Just be sure, if possible, some kind of warranty and after service sale is available, if from a dealer.

So, are you keeping the Trutti Frutti? UWE is excellent. Perhaps a pre-owned bed from them in lieu ofErgo/Alisun? That, IMO, would be my direction.

Backasol

I see, i thought there were something special with ergoline. But it makes sense, because most of the top beds seems quite similar when i look at the specifications (lamps/wattage etc). Except some small details. So i guess that the design and marketing could be one of the main reasons that Ergoline is one of the top brands. And quality of course, less service.

Yes one of the prosun x7 beds that i've been checking out have 2 extra lamps and 1 extra 400w face lamp compared to the Ergoline i got offered from the agent. So i was just curious about what would make the Ergoline a better choice. Im tryin to improve my lack of knownledge when it comes to the different brands for the future. Its just the alisun bed that only have 120watt lamps in the bench.


I've sent my serial numbers to UWE yesterday. They would have a look at it and see if they have the possibility to make an certification adapted to the new Swedish rules (if they can, i will def keep them). I'm quite impressed by the fact that they put this much effort in helping one single person with those old beds. I will definitely consider this brand when buying a brand new bed in the future. Never had any problems with my old UWE beds, good service, and now i got to know they also have a contact person in sweden. Going to phone him and see if there are any preowned beds for sale as well!

Black Sun

UWE is the BEST.
I'd go with them way before Ergo.
UWE always had better bed, better looks, better over-all. Ergo, despite their high price always felt 'cheap' to me in appearance and performance. I never felt I got a good tan in any Ergo bed..UWE always pleasing..

PlanetSunBE

I prefer the Ergoline beds over the Luxura. Tanning will be the same but build quality is better.

Do they have special rules in Sweden or are they implementing the 0.3 EU rules?
If so all existing Ergo and Luxura beds can be changed to the new rules.


Prices in EU (second hand but installed with warranty and new lamps):
Excellence 800: 9000EU
Evolution 600: 7000EU
Advantage 400: 5000EU
Advantage 350: 3000EU
Luxura X7: 8000EU
Avantgarde 600: 4000EU

Prices will be lower without warranty, lamps, installation.

suncitypembroke

UWE is going to be your best bet, no problem , have UWE for 10 years and no problem just change the lamps , clean the bed , Make the $$$$$