High Pressure vs Regular - tanTALK

tanboy · 07-12-2005, 10:40 AM

Hi Everyone,

I have fair skin and burn relatively easy.

I've heard its harder to burn in a HP bed. Are there any other advantages?

- Does a HP bed give you a tan in less number of visits to the salon?

- Does a HP bed give you a longer lasting tan?

- If HP beds are superior why doesn't everyone use them? Is it because they are more expensive? If they are more expensive but give you a tan in a less amount of visits wouldn't it all balance out?

Thanks for your advice.

Athens Rose · 07-12-2005, 12:56 PM

The difference between high pressure beds and regular/low pressure beds is the amount of UVA/UVB. Regular beds emit more UVB, which is the ray that stimulates melanin production and causes sunburn. High Pressure beds emit very little UVB, so you could tan longer without burning. I have also heard that HP beds offer deeper tans, but I don't know about the science behind that. I do know that you can tan in an HP and will need to go less frequently to maintain.

The reason not everyone uses and HP bed is because of the lack of UVB. Many people tan in order to help prevent burns outdoors (a tan is your skin's natural sunscreen). And the base/regular/low pressure beds help build your tollerance to UVB.

But, there are other reasons people continue to use low pressure beds. Tanning is relaxing - like a mini vacation during the day. They use the lower beds because they want to tan more often.

Tonka Splash · 07-12-2005, 01:31 PM

UVA penetrates deeper into the epidermis than UVB, you choose your battle, a chance of buring if you are not caucious or deep penetration, may be more apt to get "hand bag" syndrome!

Athens Rose · 07-12-2005, 01:39 PM

True. UVB is known for burning, and UVA is known for causing wrinkles.

mr belvedere · 07-12-2005, 02:05 PM

Quote:
On 2005-07-12 13:39:00, Athens Rose wrote:
True. UVB is known for burning, and UVA is known for causing wrinkles.
So if we avoid UVA, then we should be able to stay wrinkle-free? I wonder if albinos wrinkle? If you burn easily, then you have to expose for shorter lengths of time frequently (daily) to allow your skin to get used to the exposure without burning. As for wrinkles, they're just a fact of life. Good skin care in general will help to alleviate the wrinkling process.

certan · 07-14-2005, 09:43 AM

Tonka, The people in this industry never fail to amaze me. I assume you only have conventional low pressure beds. Just to clarify your low pressure units use uva to tan your skin. UVB by itself will no tan your skin.UVB stimulates melanin uva oxidizes the melanin producing a tan. If your so worried about wrinkles stay out of the sun and conventional beds completely, carry a umbrella, wear long sleeve shirts and move in with a Derm.

Tonka Splash · 07-14-2005, 10:07 AM

Certan, perhaps you misunderstood, It is a fact that high pressure beds contain MORE UVA, never was it stated that high or low pressure beds did not contain both UVA and UVB, because you are correct it takes both to produce a tan, My comment stated that UVA does in fact penetrate deeper into the epidermis, do you dispute that?

Jennifer.Cermak · 07-14-2005, 10:14 AM

1: Is it harder to burn in HP beds?
A: Yes. Do to HP beds being made up of 95% or more UVA light. UVA light penetrates into the 3rd layer of your skin with the use of proper tanning lotions, allowing more light to create pigmentation and producing a longer lasting tan. It is harder to burn under UVA light because that ray is not producing melanin cells in the top layer of your skin. Burning is caused from overproduction of these melanin cells: basically the cells run out of room and begin to rub up on one another, creating a red and hot environment that causes much discomfort. Even though HP beds give our clients a fast, great dark looking tan, they do not offer ANY natural SPF building in their skin. If you or your client has a UVA induced tan, take precautions outside the salons controlled environment as if you have no tan at all.

2: Can you achieve a HP tan in fewer minutes’ then low pressure units?
A: Yes. The UVA light penetrates deeper into your clients skin locking in the pigmentation changes. Do to the deeper penetration, exfoliation or fading of the clients tan will be less the in low pressure beds. Most HP units recommend that you start off going once a week for one month, then you can go twice in a month, once you have achieved the color you wish to keep, you are down to once per month to maintain that level of pigmentation. Also, for a client that have been using low-pressure units and has developed a healthy base tan, HP units offer a quick darkening that they are sure to love. I tan in a medium pressure bed once a month and a HP bed once a month (with in a week of each other) and I remain darker then the majority of my clients…

3: How come everyone does not use HP beds?
A: I personally recommend rotating between low pressure and HP to ensure that my clients are building a base tan under their great color. This helps protect them when they forget that the outdoor sun can hurt! Also, many people will reach a level in which they can not seem to get darker – this happens from “running out” of melanin in the skin and no longer being able to darken cells. By hopping back into a lower pressure unit and creating those cells, clients can surpass their tanning plateaus. Also, many people are uneducated on what a HP unit is and does to their skin. The higher price point ($35 a single session) causes most people to not even consider what the benefits may be. More people would use an HP bed if the salon’s staff were informed and passes that training to our clients.

My salons support ETS HP bed: VELOCITY. I recommend you check it out if you are looking for the best HP has to offer. I have tried them all and this is the one I needed to have my clients use!

certan · 07-14-2005, 10:26 AM

Tonka, I did not misunderstand what you were saying. UVA is UVA period. The UVA present in Low Pressure Beds is the same UVA present in High Pressure Beds. The amount of overall UV itself is higher in High Pressure. But you were talking about wrinkles from UVA.

mr belvedere · 07-14-2005, 11:06 AM

Quote:
On 2005-07-14 09:43:00, certan wrote:
Tonka, The people in this industry never fail to amaze me. I assume you only have conventional low pressure beds. Just to clarify your low pressure units use uva to tan your skin. UVB by itself will no tan your skin.UVB stimulates melanin uva oxidizes the melanin producing a tan. If your so worried about wrinkles stay out of the sun and conventional beds completely, carry a umbrella, wear long sleeve shirts and move in with a Derm.
You're tellin me, pard. You'd think by now we could get it right.

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07-12-2005, 10:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
tanboy Join Date: Nov 27 2004 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Hi Everyone, I have fair skin and burn relatively easy. I've heard its harder to burn in a HP bed. Are there any other advantages? - Does a HP bed give you a tan in less number of visits to the salon? - Does a HP bed give you a longer lasting tan? - If HP beds are superior why doesn't everyone use them? Is it because they are more expensive? If they are more expensive but give you a tan in a less amount of visits wouldn't it all balance out? Thanks for your advice.

07-12-2005, 12:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
Athens Rose Join Date: Mar 7 2005 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 20	The difference between high pressure beds and regular/low pressure beds is the amount of UVA/UVB. Regular beds emit more UVB, which is the ray that stimulates melanin production and causes sunburn. High Pressure beds emit very little UVB, so you could tan longer without burning. I have also heard that HP beds offer deeper tans, but I don't know about the science behind that. I do know that you can tan in an HP and will need to go less frequently to maintain. The reason not everyone uses and HP bed is because of the lack of UVB. Many people tan in order to help prevent burns outdoors (a tan is your skin's natural sunscreen). And the base/regular/low pressure beds help build your tollerance to UVB. But, there are other reasons people continue to use low pressure beds. Tanning is relaxing - like a mini vacation during the day. They use the lower beds because they want to tan more often.

07-12-2005, 01:31 PM	#3 (permalink)
Tonka Splash Waiting Confirmation Join Date: May 19 2005 Posts: 152 Rep Power: 0	UVA penetrates deeper into the epidermis than UVB, you choose your battle, a chance of buring if you are not caucious or deep penetration, may be more apt to get "hand bag" syndrome!

07-12-2005, 01:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
Athens Rose Join Date: Mar 7 2005 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 20	True. UVB is known for burning, and UVA is known for causing wrinkles.

07-12-2005, 02:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
mr belvedere Mr. b Join Date: May 10 2005 Age: 54 Posts: 7,247 Rep Power: 68	Quote: On 2005-07-12 13:39:00, Athens Rose wrote: True. UVB is known for burning, and UVA is known for causing wrinkles. So if we avoid UVA, then we should be able to stay wrinkle-free? I wonder if albinos wrinkle? If you burn easily, then you have to expose for shorter lengths of time frequently (daily) to allow your skin to get used to the exposure without burning. As for wrinkles, they're just a fact of life. Good skin care in general will help to alleviate the wrinkling process.

07-14-2005, 09:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
certan I'm Banned Join Date: Feb 22 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 241 Rep Power: 0	Tonka, The people in this industry never fail to amaze me. I assume you only have conventional low pressure beds. Just to clarify your low pressure units use uva to tan your skin. UVB by itself will no tan your skin.UVB stimulates melanin uva oxidizes the melanin producing a tan. If your so worried about wrinkles stay out of the sun and conventional beds completely, carry a umbrella, wear long sleeve shirts and move in with a Derm.

07-14-2005, 10:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
Tonka Splash Waiting Confirmation Join Date: May 19 2005 Posts: 152 Rep Power: 0	Certan, perhaps you misunderstood, It is a fact that high pressure beds contain MORE UVA, never was it stated that high or low pressure beds did not contain both UVA and UVB, because you are correct it takes both to produce a tan, My comment stated that UVA does in fact penetrate deeper into the epidermis, do you dispute that?

07-14-2005, 10:14 AM	#8 (permalink)
Jennifer.Cermak Join Date: Jul 14 2005 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	1: Is it harder to burn in HP beds? A: Yes. Do to HP beds being made up of 95% or more UVA light. UVA light penetrates into the 3rd layer of your skin with the use of proper tanning lotions, allowing more light to create pigmentation and producing a longer lasting tan. It is harder to burn under UVA light because that ray is not producing melanin cells in the top layer of your skin. Burning is caused from overproduction of these melanin cells: basically the cells run out of room and begin to rub up on one another, creating a red and hot environment that causes much discomfort. Even though HP beds give our clients a fast, great dark looking tan, they do not offer ANY natural SPF building in their skin. If you or your client has a UVA induced tan, take precautions outside the salons controlled environment as if you have no tan at all. 2: Can you achieve a HP tan in fewer minutes’ then low pressure units? A: Yes. The UVA light penetrates deeper into your clients skin locking in the pigmentation changes. Do to the deeper penetration, exfoliation or fading of the clients tan will be less the in low pressure beds. Most HP units recommend that you start off going once a week for one month, then you can go twice in a month, once you have achieved the color you wish to keep, you are down to once per month to maintain that level of pigmentation. Also, for a client that have been using low-pressure units and has developed a healthy base tan, HP units offer a quick darkening that they are sure to love. I tan in a medium pressure bed once a month and a HP bed once a month (with in a week of each other) and I remain darker then the majority of my clients… 3: How come everyone does not use HP beds? A: I personally recommend rotating between low pressure and HP to ensure that my clients are building a base tan under their great color. This helps protect them when they forget that the outdoor sun can hurt! Also, many people will reach a level in which they can not seem to get darker – this happens from “running out” of melanin in the skin and no longer being able to darken cells. By hopping back into a lower pressure unit and creating those cells, clients can surpass their tanning plateaus. Also, many people are uneducated on what a HP unit is and does to their skin. The higher price point ($35 a single session) causes most people to not even consider what the benefits may be. More people would use an HP bed if the salon’s staff were informed and passes that training to our clients. My salons support ETS HP bed: VELOCITY. I recommend you check it out if you are looking for the best HP has to offer. I have tried them all and this is the one I needed to have my clients use!

07-14-2005, 10:26 AM	#9 (permalink)
certan I'm Banned Join Date: Feb 22 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 241 Rep Power: 0	Tonka, I did not misunderstand what you were saying. UVA is UVA period. The UVA present in Low Pressure Beds is the same UVA present in High Pressure Beds. The amount of overall UV itself is higher in High Pressure. But you were talking about wrinkles from UVA.

07-14-2005, 11:06 AM	#10 (permalink)
mr belvedere Mr. b Join Date: May 10 2005 Age: 54 Posts: 7,247 Rep Power: 68	Quote: On 2005-07-14 09:43:00, certan wrote: Tonka, The people in this industry never fail to amaze me. I assume you only have conventional low pressure beds. Just to clarify your low pressure units use uva to tan your skin. UVB by itself will no tan your skin.UVB stimulates melanin uva oxidizes the melanin producing a tan. If your so worried about wrinkles stay out of the sun and conventional beds completely, carry a umbrella, wear long sleeve shirts and move in with a Derm. You're tellin me, pard. You'd think by now we could get it right.

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