Question for URI regarding Lamp Dropping - tanTALK

engfant · 06-05-2004, 10:47 AM

So, what's the deal?

tanfixr · 06-05-2004, 11:14 AM

on 3/22, Ed wrote:

Friday's answer:
Top dropping is when you take lamps out of the canopy at about the 20% degradation mark and replace them into the bench (paying attention to the necessary fact that the bench uses the same kind of lamp), then install new lamps in the canopy.
Opinions are divided about whether it is an advisable practice.
Some salon owners say it helps them budget their lamp purchases. Others say that it improves their results by always having fresh lamps in the canopy.
Many salon owners reject the practice as unnecessary.

engfant · 06-05-2004, 12:16 PM

You know that's what I meant to c&p on the other post. It's exactly correct which is why there is so much pain in this discussion. No definate correct answer.

tanu01 · 06-05-2004, 01:03 PM

AMEN

JOHN @ URI · 06-07-2004, 09:16 AM

You can read the Cosmedico white paper on top dropping.
It can be found at www.cosmedico.com

There is no good answer. It all depends on the bed type, lamp type, & personal preferance of the salon owner.

If you use a high quality lamp & your bed has the same 100W lamps top & bottom, then yes, it can be a good thing. With new lamps on top & lamps that have 300-350 hrs on the bottom will give a good quality tan. Then you pitch the bench lamps at 600-700 hours & Drop the top & put fresh ones in.

Do you really need such a strong lamp in the bench when the clients skin is only 1/2" away?

I guess the best answer would be to take some meter readings at the top & bottom, use the 7.0 meter & see what maximum session time is for the bench & then compare that to the canopy!

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[ This Message was edited by: JOHN @ URI on 2004-06-07 09:21 ]

THEDORSEYTOUCH · 06-07-2004, 09:46 AM

It's now official!!!! Lamp Dropping is the Old School method of saving on lamp usage that is now New School. Kinda like Chuck Taylor Converse Tennis Shoes. The experts have spoken. I may not own a salon but I have a data base of thousands. I'll let my people know so we can start spreading the word right now. Nothing like saving money on lamps. Once again I've learned something here again the real reason we are here.

engfant · 06-07-2004, 09:50 AM

I'm STOPPING you from turning this into another mess. What you posted makes no sense IS NOT a response to what John said and is just going to start problems with some of the short fuses here. My first block and I stand by it.

COCONUT · 06-07-2004, 10:23 AM

I AGREE!!

engfant · 06-07-2004, 11:35 AM

Really? I mean, dam right you agree! If you keep up with the other boards you'll see that this person is a meathead. Hey John, your homey ED seems to have a different outlook on top dropping:

"EDG
Most tanning salons change all their lamps at the same time, but some salons rotate their lamps. I understand the reasoning behind top-dropping, but I don't recommend it. Here's why: increased labor costs (you are re-lamping twice as often), increased shipping costs (you are ordering and receiving lamps twice as often), the tanning bed being out of balance (stronger lamps in the top than in the bottom), and the perception problems involved when customers find out that the lamps in the bench of the tanning bed are twice as old as the lamps in the top.
Ed"

URI was the reason I was doing this in the first place. I'm not saying I'm going to change as I feel that John has a more correct answer than ED. If the bed can take advantage of this (regardless of expense, labor, etc) I'd say do it. I have more people coming from other salons claiming that all they get is beat red then fade to white. NEVER happens in my place (unless someone is "questioning" the bed's output) The difference is my red fades to brown.
So I think the 2 of you should throw down in kinda a bra and panties match via the internet. Winner reigns supreme till dorsey causes another death match.

JOHN @ URI · 06-07-2004, 02:46 PM

Engfant,

There really is no right or wrong. It is all up to the salon owner!

Look at Suncapsules for instance. They recommend rotating 10 lamps out every 200 hrs. Which does not make any sense. If there are 5 panels that means that the last lamps getting rotated out will have nearly 1000 hrs on them, which is unheard of for a 160W VHOR lamp. So for stand Ups I always tell salon owners to just change them all at once.

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06-05-2004, 10:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
engfant Join Date: May 20 2003 Posts: 9,301 Rep Power: 29	So, what's the deal?

06-05-2004, 11:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
tanfixr Join Date: Aug 12 2002 Location: Michigan Age: 60 Posts: 338 Rep Power: 22	on 3/22, Ed wrote: Friday's answer: Top dropping is when you take lamps out of the canopy at about the 20% degradation mark and replace them into the bench (paying attention to the necessary fact that the bench uses the same kind of lamp), then install new lamps in the canopy. Opinions are divided about whether it is an advisable practice. Some salon owners say it helps them budget their lamp purchases. Others say that it improves their results by always having fresh lamps in the canopy. Many salon owners reject the practice as unnecessary.

06-05-2004, 12:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
engfant Join Date: May 20 2003 Posts: 9,301 Rep Power: 29	You know that's what I meant to c&p on the other post. It's exactly correct which is why there is so much pain in this discussion. No definate correct answer.

06-05-2004, 01:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
tanu01 "The Man" Join Date: Mar 4 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 4,015 Rep Power: 23	AMEN

06-07-2004, 09:16 AM	#5 (permalink)
JOHN @ URI Lamp Geek Join Date: Dec 21 2001 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,913 Rep Power: 23	You can read the Cosmedico white paper on top dropping. It can be found at www.cosmedico.com There is no good answer. It all depends on the bed type, lamp type, & personal preferance of the salon owner. If you use a high quality lamp & your bed has the same 100W lamps top & bottom, then yes, it can be a good thing. With new lamps on top & lamps that have 300-350 hrs on the bottom will give a good quality tan. Then you pitch the bench lamps at 600-700 hours & Drop the top & put fresh ones in. Do you really need such a strong lamp in the bench when the clients skin is only 1/2" away? I guess the best answer would be to take some meter readings at the top & bottom, use the 7.0 meter & see what maximum session time is for the bench & then compare that to the canopy! _________________ [ This Message was edited by: JOHN @ URI on 2004-06-07 09:21 ]

06-07-2004, 09:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
THEDORSEYTOUCH Waiting Confirmation Join Date: May 28 2003 Posts: 429 Rep Power: 0	It's now official!!!! Lamp Dropping is the Old School method of saving on lamp usage that is now New School. Kinda like Chuck Taylor Converse Tennis Shoes. The experts have spoken. I may not own a salon but I have a data base of thousands. I'll let my people know so we can start spreading the word right now. Nothing like saving money on lamps. Once again I've learned something here again the real reason we are here.

06-07-2004, 09:50 AM	#7 (permalink)
engfant Join Date: May 20 2003 Posts: 9,301 Rep Power: 29	I'm STOPPING you from turning this into another mess. What you posted makes no sense IS NOT a response to what John said and is just going to start problems with some of the short fuses here. My first block and I stand by it.

06-07-2004, 10:23 AM	#8 (permalink)
COCONUT ~THE ORIGINAL COCO~ Join Date: Sep 2 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 4,990 Rep Power: 32	I AGREE!!

06-07-2004, 11:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
engfant Join Date: May 20 2003 Posts: 9,301 Rep Power: 29	Really? I mean, dam right you agree! If you keep up with the other boards you'll see that this person is a meathead. Hey John, your homey ED seems to have a different outlook on top dropping: "EDG Most tanning salons change all their lamps at the same time, but some salons rotate their lamps. I understand the reasoning behind top-dropping, but I don't recommend it. Here's why: increased labor costs (you are re-lamping twice as often), increased shipping costs (you are ordering and receiving lamps twice as often), the tanning bed being out of balance (stronger lamps in the top than in the bottom), and the perception problems involved when customers find out that the lamps in the bench of the tanning bed are twice as old as the lamps in the top. Ed" URI was the reason I was doing this in the first place. I'm not saying I'm going to change as I feel that John has a more correct answer than ED. If the bed can take advantage of this (regardless of expense, labor, etc) I'd say do it. I have more people coming from other salons claiming that all they get is beat red then fade to white. NEVER happens in my place (unless someone is "questioning" the bed's output) The difference is my red fades to brown. So I think the 2 of you should throw down in kinda a bra and panties match via the internet. Winner reigns supreme till dorsey causes another death match.

06-07-2004, 02:46 PM	#10 (permalink)
JOHN @ URI Lamp Geek Join Date: Dec 21 2001 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,913 Rep Power: 23	Engfant, There really is no right or wrong. It is all up to the salon owner! Look at Suncapsules for instance. They recommend rotating 10 lamps out every 200 hrs. Which does not make any sense. If there are 5 panels that means that the last lamps getting rotated out will have nearly 1000 hrs on them, which is unheard of for a 160W VHOR lamp. So for stand Ups I always tell salon owners to just change them all at once.

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