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02-05-2002, 12:57 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 23 | Philips has come out with new lamps, they are of lower wattage but have the same tanning output,as the higher wattage. Their 90 watt replaces the 100 watt used in tanning beds. Lower power use. Less heat. The 10% power use could offer a 10% drop in heat output, better lamp performace , less over heating, and more comfort for the client. All uv and normal lamps produce infarred "heat", Remember tanning is not caused by infrarred, heat, its caused from uv ultarviolet light. Its Philips Cleo line of lamps. These "watt saver" bulbs have been used in regular lamps, non tanning lamps for at least 18 years. |
02-05-2002, 06:21 PM | #2 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 23 | The lamps have been out for a while,The cleo effect and natural are offered in this type.The only problem is that the lamps have no compatability listing and only are availiable in lower uvb outputs like the performance.The new glass used in some of the conventional lamps made by philips lowers temperature. |
02-06-2002, 12:25 PM | #3 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 23 | Low uvb is a good thing not a bad thing. The lamps need to be looked into, anyone with the lamps or beds that can use them, speak up! Cooler is better. Lampman tell us what information you have on these lamps. Are they in use in American made beds? _________________ TanTalk Tanning Booth MODERATOR Tanning Booths, for people that want only the very best. Fast, Comfortable, Dark Tanning and Hygienic. [ This Message was edited by: Chippp on 2002-02-06 12:32 ] |
02-06-2002, 05:20 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 23 | To date I have not seen them used yet.I do have information on them,but I think for the usa market they might not be strong enough.People think that red is tan and we dont see the lower uvb lamps being used as much as they used to.The cleo effect is only a little stronger than the cleo performance.We can supply them but nobody has asked yet. |
02-06-2002, 06:12 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 23 | 20 years ago we used the philips 168 watt vho lamps in our first booths they had a 1.5 or 2% uvb, they tanned like crazy and lasted for ever. They didnt burn at all, so you didnt see much results in the first 2-3 sessions then POW you were tanned. Brown with out the redish color they were great! They tanned fair and dark skinned people well, when we started to use higher uvb lamps old clienst said they didnt like the new lamps..... it took a number of years to buildup to the mid range uvb lamps we use today, clients now want a bit of red, they still don't understand they don't need it to tan well. Sad. My face never gets as dark now that we use higher uvb lamps, if I had a booth at home I would put 2% uvb lamps in it for myself. oh well maybe one day:) PS. back in the old days we had to import the vho lamps for our booths, no salons in canada could use them, all the equipment was in the other salons was cheap tanning beds with 30 min sessions using 100 watt lamps. Back then all the salons in our city said there was no vho lamps that we lied and that there was no 10 min sessions only 30, that we lied about that as well, needless to say they all went out of business, its bad to lie to your clients they will find out the truth! How do you get back credibility once you have lost it? You don't! What was really funny is the owners from other tanning salons would come into our salon pretending to be clients to try the booths, we would keep a close eye on them, and some times they would not tan they would just say they wamted to see the booths and they would get down on their hand and knees to try and read the lables printed on our lamps and some even would write down the codes and numbers found on our lamps. One client that had gone to a competitor before she found use told us one of these tanning bed salon owners she had gone to, bought a bunch of the vho lmaps he saw being used at our salon and tried to put them in one of his beds, suprise they didnt light, the beds ballasts are made for the cheap low power 100 lamps, we laughed our hinies off hearing that. No 160 watt lamps , no 10 sessions, get real, Then we heard 5 or more years later that when the 100 reflector lamps came out that some salon owners were trying to use them in there old beds not designed for them all their clients had big stripes , we laught good and hard over that. When the 20 min and 15 min tanning beds came out, all the salons that bought one , the same salons that had told their clients there were no faster sessions then 30 min had a big problem, their clients said what you said in the past was not true, that you lied about the salon with tanning booths. Need less to say we got all their clients, we were the only honest salon in the city and had been from day one. DON'T LIE TO YOUR CLIENTS. They should be respected! _________________ TanTalk Tanning Booth MODERATOR Tanning Booths, for people that want only the very best. Fast, Comfortable, Dark Tanning and Hygienic. [ This Message was edited by: Chippp on 2002-02-06 18:14 ] [ This Message was edited by: Chippp on 2002-02-06 18:22 ] [ This Message was edited by: Chippp on 2002-02-06 18:23 ] [ This Message was edited by: Chippp on 2002-02-06 18:25 ] [ This Message was edited by: Chippp on 2002-02-06 18:37 ] [ This Message was edited by: Chippp on 2002-02-06 18:38 ] [ This Message was edited by: Chippp on 2002-02-06 18:47 ][ This Message was edited by: Chippp on 2002-02-06 18:53 ] |
02-06-2002, 08:57 PM | #6 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 23 | The old lamps were called the philips TL176D38/10.And the TL176D38/10R.WE do sell these and stock them,they tan very well but are VHO types.The new lamps are not VHO but do offer a plus in reduced energy consumption and if a bed manufacturer wanted they could fit about 50% more lamp into their system without changing the overall dimensions.You could pack the lamps really tight and would probably get great output and A dark tan.I am in favor of lower uvb lamps but salon ownersand tanners want faster units and quicker tans.I still use the old TL100W/10R lamps at home,I can relax, almost sleep and get great color.Trying to convince people in the south to use a lower uvb type is almost imposible.We have had good luck in a new lamp that is around 3.3% but has a reflector but some people just want to fry. |
02-24-2002, 06:40 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 0 | Wolff won the war years ago. Americans prefer higher UVB lamps because they are two impatient for natural tanning results so they give plenty of dirty looks to the attendant and push time like crazy. A little early pinkening calms them down. |
02-25-2002, 05:13 PM | #9 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 23 | Philips has a lamp designed to be stronger than the wolff lamp.If you want to kick the bed up a notch use the advantage.Philips hs made this lamp especially for the usa market and has made one of the strongest VHO-Reflector lamps on the market the advantage 160 watt-R.While they still make low uvb lamps for those who like them they are going to be a factor this year in the higher uvb lamps |
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