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Old 01-16-2001, 04:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Hey Don,I have the tan america beds with 5.0 bulbsI have a skin type 2 customer that we placed on a very conservative schedule to tan. Her first session was 5 min, the 2nd session 7 minutes, both went fine. She skipped a day and the 3rd visit was 7 min and she burned pretty bad on the back of her legs. What can I do to prevent that from happening to other customers?Why would she not burn the 1st 7 minutes and burn the 2nd 7 minutes?Thanks for the help------------------Tommy Lowery
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Old 01-16-2001, 06:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Tommy:You have found an anomoly that is almost always true and I can't give you a scientific reason why it happens.We ALWAYS keep the fairer skinned individuals at the same time for the first 3 sessions because they will almost always have problems (if they are going to sunburn) on the THIRD SESSION. In your example, we would have kept them at 5 minutes for the first 3 sessions and then moved them up to 7 minutes on the 4th.I am researching the reasons for this happening but, at present, I can't tell you why it happens. All I know is that it does, as you have found out.What I do know is that there is a very small margin of error between the dose it takes to cause them to sunburn and the dose required to develop a tan.Also, we would only go 4 minutes for the first 200 hours of new lamps and then to 5 minutes after that. If your lamps were new, this would also affect the situation.Hope this helps.Don
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Old 01-16-2001, 08:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Thanks Don,You are a true asset and blessing to us.------------------Tommy Lowery
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Old 01-19-2001, 03:46 PM   #4 (permalink)
 
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SonShineTans,It has to do with the residual time for the burning effect. The burn on the 3rd session was a combination of the 3rd session and the residual stress from the 2nd session. Residual impact decline overtime... 48 hours most gone, about 72 hours all gone... Hard to manage those type 2's especially 2A's. You just were not conservative enought overtime for the customers skin and the impact of your lamps.
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Frank:Excellent analysis. This is what we have come to believe although I cannot find any article proving this premise to be true.With 2A's and to a lesser extent 2B's and 2C's, once you get past the third session, you are home free. These people LOVE tanning when they see they can do so without burning and they spend LOTS of money on lotions and upgrades. Remember, these people have fought a losing battle with the sun their entire lives.Thanks for sharing your insight, Frank!Don
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Don,I'm going to have to go back a long way and read some old sources to find a reference to substantiate what I said. I remember it but can't say from where or how well footnoted it was at my source.Empirically, I does seem to hold true ... so I follow it on faith. If it's verifiable I'd be interested in any difference in residual for differences in skin type.
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Quote:Originally posted by Sonshinetans:Hey Don,I have the tan america beds with 5.0 bulbsI have a skin type 2 customer that we placed on a very conservative schedule to tan. Her first session was 5 min, the 2nd session 7 minutes, both went fine. She skipped a day and the 3rd visit was 7 min and she burned pretty bad on the back of her legs. What can I do to prevent that from happening to other customers?Why would she not burn the 1st 7 minutes and burn the 2nd 7 minutes?Thanks for the helpOk, I'm not as smart as some of you guys out there. But, if tanning sessions don't stop working for 24 to 48 hours. Which is another reason we tell them not to shower for atleast 2 hrs or more. Then doesn't it stand to reason, that on that 3rd day they are actually getting the final results of the first day?------------------sandy spells
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Sandy:Point 1. There is no question but that there is a "cumulative effect" that must be taken into consideration for the most sensitive skin types (subtypes). After the 3rd session you usually don't have problems unless you increase the time too fast. The reasons for this are not clear but I have two articles that shed some light on the subject that I am reviewing. When I am sure I understand this issue, I will write an article explaining it.Point 2. The "official" description of "sunburn" is "persistent" eryethema (redness) continuing after 24 hours. Therefore, what we are observing is not a sunburn in the classical sense.Point 3. The old wives tale that clients shouldn't take a shower after tanning is just plain silly. Unfortunately Steve Cheney (who should know better!) compounded and perpetuated this "myth" with his comments in this month's Tanning Trends. The response of the skin to UVR is instataneous and once the photons penetrate the skin, they certainly aren't going to be affected by a shower or a bath! Point 4. The reason that the tanning process is called "delayed pigmentation" is that it takes time (24 - 48 hours) for the process of oxidizing the melanin granules (calloed malanosomes) to be completed. Whether or not you shower is immaterial.Point 5. In fact, there have been two studies (that I am aware of ) showing that showering just before tanning is beneficial.Point 6. The only way bathing (or showering) after a tan could affect the process is if a "scrub" was used that removed some of the dead (oxidized) cells from the surface of the skin. Hope this helps to clear up this matter.Don
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Re: Quote:Originally posted by Don Smith:Sandy:Point 3. The old wives tale that clients shouldn't take a shower after tanning is just plain silly. Unfortunately Steve Cheney (who should know better!) compounded and perpetuated this "myth" with his comments in this month's Tanning Trends. The response of the skin to UVR is instataneous and once the photons penetrate the skin, they certainly aren't going to be affected by a shower or a bath! DonDon, I agree Steve SHOULD know better but this is not the only inaccurate myth propagated by that training. People expect that they are getting the true facts and this myth and other inaccurate information are being conveyed at every class. What training needs is less "pseudo" and more "practical" science.Frank
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Could this have been a heat burn and not a uv burn? We have been told about this by many tanning bed users. They now come to our tanning booth salon, we say if you can't handle the heat get out of the bed, and try our booths.We have become aware of a lot of tanning beds are not designed to remain cool during normal to heavy use in tanning salon.They are more suited for minimal home use.The heat can built up to the point that is uncomfortable for clients to say in the bed for the whole session length. What beds are the best cooled and suited for normal to heavy use.What beds did you find the worst for over heating?Anyone comfortable enough to tell us?
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