suntanztanning

It’s okay not to like AG products. I myself don’t like “Wild” because it stinks. On the other hand I do like “Thrust”. I don’t really care if it contains “dog poop extract” so long as the customer likes it. It either works or it doesn’t? What works for one person may not do as well for another. AG has it’s place in our tanning world. From $14.50 to around $55.00 in price. AG has something for everyone when it comes to price range. As we all know, some clients will buy based on price alone. Why? Because they are students with part-time jobs and have no money for a $35-$50 lotion. That’s the bottom line. As professionals, we all want our customers to get the best darn tan possible in our salons. But we all know that you can’t sell the best lotions to everyone. They just can’t afford it. That’s not a bad thing, it’s just a fact of life. I guess you could recommend a “Attitude” product as a cheap alternative, but what have you done then. AG isn’t the bottom of the barrel in the lotion world. If your customers want it, sell it to them. Your only recourse should be to try to educate them on lotion price vs. quality. Give them examples of what a higher priced lotion would do for them. I’m not sure you want to bash any lotion line outright. If you bash it to someone who loves the line, you may pee them off because they take it very personal. Just a thought. I never get into lotion bashing with a customer. Second, I would never admit selling a product I thought was “Crap”. As soon as you do, the customer will hear you say that you are selling “Crap Lotion”. Is that the message we want to send? I think not. Sell what ever works for you and your customers. Educate them as best you can and move on to the next one. That’s what we should be doing to every one who walks in our door.

NJTANMAN

I agree wether the lotion is $20-$90.. its best to sell them some lotion then no lotion. You just dont want to pitch a lotion you know is inferior as something that is going to do things that are unresonable... then they will have a poor opinion on your equipment and your establishment... The way i pitch is i tell them the truth if i like something i tell them. the most expensive lition arent always the best. but try different one time use packets until you find one that suits your perticular skin. then buy a bottle... that not only helps you sell more lotion... but minimize returns.

Soakinuptherays

Ok,

From my understanding why tryozine is not in some products is becuase of govermental regualtion not if the ingredient is effective in helping the tanning process.

What happened is that the FDA/FTC decided to investigate "tanning accelerators" and their claims that Tyrozine was "accelerating" the tanning process.

So if you used the term "accelerator" for your product name then the FDA/FTC was going after you for making "medical" claims about your products.

Companies faced choices about keeping long established product names or droping an ingreident. They chose to drop the ingredient. Other companies like mine kept the ingredient and changed the product name. We went from "Accelerator" to Base Builder (TM) or Tan Builder.

The herbal/ vitamin companies have won a number of "claim statement" lawsuits with FTC/FDA so the rules have changes in the past 2-3 years on this issue.

I hope this helps explain things.

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Soakin' Up The Rays, Inc.

Your top selling product, is whatever you want it to be![ This Message was edited by: Soakinuptherays on 2004-01-17 12:04 ]

jennyw

If Ag is "cheap" then what would be "good enough" to sell in a salon?

engfant

There are a million places you can go to. If you are looking for a company that has basically everything John Abate. Breeze's Platinum Series is real nice. CalTan has a few good choices (Zoe Girl if you got teens tanning) Hempz moisturiser is almost a must as it sells like crazy.

lucylou2222

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On 2004-01-13 17:00, mouthybrat wrote:
Looking Fit Tanning Fact Book, Printed March 15, 2002 for the years 2002/2003 Page 22, second paragraph under the heading "Accelerators and Amplifiers" This is word for word, so get our YOUR glasses and take a gander:

"There are two basic steps that one can follow in developing an indoor or outdoor tan. Pre-tan solutions are applied before exposure to ultraviolet light. These include accelerators and amplifiers, and some products even offer both functions. Most of these solutions are made from a tyrosine base. Tyrosine is an amino acid that is necessary for the production of melanin in the body. USUALLY, TYROSINE-BASED PRODUCTS ARE APPLIED TWO TO THREE DAYS PRIOR TO ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT EXPOSURE. IT SUPPOSEDLY TAKES THIS LONG FOR THE FORMULA TO PENETRATE DEEPLY ENOUGH TO DO ANY GOOD"

If, after reading that, you STILL insist that it is not right, contact Virgo Publishing, Rick Mattoon at rmattoon@vpico.com



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April Flinn
Hawaiian Tans
Marietta, Ohio

[ This Message was edited by: mouthybrat on 2004-01-13 17:01 ] I am one who seriously considers sound research for up-to-date information. Thank you, and I appreciate the honest, tell it like it is truth you give. When persons are disagreeable with you, it is usually because they know (but don't want to admit) that you are right. It seems that many persons are concerned with how they can most effectively make $$$ and don't consider the leagalities, nor health while tanning. That's a simple lack of reverence. It's nice knowing there are people who care. Honesty and safety are my upmost concern as well. Thanks for the great BRUTAL advise you give. I like your spunk!

Neon Beach

Not everything published is a fact. That's a fact...................

Neon Beach

Can anyone out there list the indoor tanning lotions that are tyrosine based?

mouthybrat

Quote:As for using a tyrosine based product days prior to tanning... again
from
research offered by lotion firms, the THEORY was that this allowed the
skin
to absorb the active ingredient through natural slow absorption. Then,
when
the person tanned a few days later, the THOUGHT was that the L-Tyrosine
would have had an opportunity to have been absorbed through to the
basement
or basal layer of the epidermis.

Because of the FDA and FTC findings and the changes in active
ingredients
in tanning lotions, YOU WILL NOTICE CHANGES IN THE WAY ACCELERATORS ARE
DISCUSSED IN OUR 2004/2005 FACT BOOK. Quote:USUALLY, TYROSINE-BASED PRODUCTS ARE APPLIED TWO
TO
THREE DAYS PRIOR TO ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT EXPOSURE. IT SUPPOSEDLY TAKES
THIS
LONG FOR THE FORMULA TO PENETRATE DEEPLY ENOUGH TO DO ANY GOOD"

Neon, read those words again..."theory" "thought" "usually" and "supposedly" they are not definate terms, they are not stating that what is written is FACT, rather they are stating that it is THEORIES AND THOUGHTS!!!!!

As I said, the people at Looking Fit are the ones who used the term "tyrosine based" and as Mr. Mattoon pointed out, their wording was BASED ON RESEARCH PROVIDED BY MANUFACTURERS OF LOTIONS!

Get over yourself. You are not the only person on the planet with knowledge of lotions. I backed up what I stated with documentation from industry sources. Where is your documentation?

mouthybrat

Quote:
Okay, so it may not be the "base" by technical means, but it would seem that lotions with a higher amount of tyrosine in them than others would be the ones this comment is in reference to.