AMERISTAR

she was kinda talking crap when she said she was gonna sue someone everyone is sue happy i see

TAN

BAHAMA MAMAS

Quote:
On 2004-01-14 11:06, mouthybrat wrote:
As I have stated before, I am not a bed cleaner, get off your soap box and stop the bashing. Your continued bashing of me WILL result in legal action. That is not in any way a THREAT! IT IS A PROMISE!
Mamas Back and if I may add "mouthybrat" You are out of line here! grow up or get off this site! We all argue once in a while its a fact but LEGAL ACTION against a fellow tanTalker! get real! Not even shelia would do such a thing! SOo take my advice and either chill or find a new hobby!

NJTANMAN

ok ok... so really this thread has really lost the whole point of its original intent.. why not start another called "take each other outside" or "playground at tan talk". Honestly I think we all just need to take a couple of minites and tan. Maybe it will calm us down a bit. I am in no way tryen to demin anyone. Just tryen to diffusew the situation.
Dan

engfant

Ok. AG Tanning Accelorator has no Tyrosine cause is a cheap lotion. The end. It is not some mystical ingredient. It's what fules the whole process. This thread is the reason why that crap should be taken off the market. Causes too much hurt.

Stephanie

I do not use A.G. lotions, but as for my customers it sells like crazy. It's a cheeper lotion and I do see many people get a very good tan with this product. I really like tan talk but if people are going to act like this I will not be back on. As for Tan4less you need to watch what you are putting on this fourm, I don't like some of the words you are using. RESPECT!!

mouthybrat

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:41:32 -0800
To: mouthybrat_25@yahoo.com
From: "Rick Mattoon" Add to Address Book
Subject: Lotion Question




Hello April,

Sorry for the delay in responding. These days have me traveling across
the
country several times a week.

As for your tanning question regarding the following quote from our
2002/2003 Fact Book:

"There are two basic steps that one can follow in developing an indoor
or
outdoor tan. Pre-tan solutions are applied before exposure to
ultraviolet
light. These include accelerators and amplifiers, and some products
even
offer both functions. Most of these solutions are made from a tyrosine
base. Tyrosine is an amino acid that is necessary for the production of
melanin in the body. USUALLY, TYROSINE-BASED PRODUCTS ARE APPLIED TWO
TO
THREE DAYS PRIOR TO ULTRAVIOLET LIGHT EXPOSURE. IT SUPPOSEDLY TAKES
THIS
LONG FOR THE FORMULA TO PENETRATE DEEPLY ENOUGH TO DO ANY GOOD"

First thing, the paragraph prior to the one you quoted explains that
this
information is based on reports supplied by manufacturing research.

Regarding the Tyrosine specifically, It is true that tyrosine must be
present within the epidermis to initiate the tanning process. Lotion
firms realized a number of years ago that if they could increase the
level
of tyrosine in the skin by using a man-made version of tyrosine
(L-Tyrosine) they could potentially enhance the tanning process.

In more recent years, the FDA has ruled that because of the statements
made
regarding the way L-Tyrosine changes or enhances the bodies natural
tanning
process, L-Tyrosine should be considered a more "controlled" substance.
Because of this ruling, you will notice most (and soon all) indoor
tanning
lotions will no longer offer L-Tyrosine as an active ingredient.

As for using a tyrosine based product days prior to tanning... again
from
research offered by lotion firms, the theory was that this allowed the
skin
to absorb the active ingredient through natural slow absorption. Then,
when
the person tanned a few days later, the thought was that the L-Tyrosine
would have had an opportunity to have been absorbed through to the
basement
or basal layer of the epidermis.

Because of the FDA and FTC findings and the changes in active
ingredients
in tanning lotions, you will notice changes in the way accelerators are
discussed in our 2004/2005 Fact Book.

If I can help further please drop me a note at rmattoon@vpico.com.

Take care,



Rick B. Mattoon RT (R)
Executive Editor/
Technical Training Director
Virgo Publishing, Inc.
3300 N Central Avenue, Suite 2500
(480) 990-1101 ext 1665
rmattoon@vpico.com

engfant

Ummm I may be wrong but L-Tyrosine is only one form of the amino acid. There are many tanning lotions that have multiple versions. The ones I've tried work real well. I still say this whole thing is foolishness. Sell tanning lotions based on the manufacturer's recommendation. Even if your way is correct we are talking about maybe a 5-10% increase in overall tanning results which is not worth the headache that is your theory on tanning lotion. Turnover rate a little high over there in ohio?

mouthybrat

This is stupid, even with the words coming from an industry icon who is well respected, you still don't get it. As Rick stated in his reply, it was a THEROY that has since been changed! L-tyrosine is being taken out of all lotions by the FDA. There is a reason for that, don't you think?

And no, the turnover rate here in our salon is not a little high! Get over yourself!

Tropical Tanning

April,

The way I read his letter, the Manufacturers are removing the L-Tyrosine because FDA and FTC findings are pointing toward making L-Tyrosine a "controlled substance."

First off, this guy is trying to make his firm look better after it's been discovered that their "Fact Book" may be less factual that expected.

Secondly, can anyone confirm that what he is saying now is correct? Let us not continue to jump to conclusions based upon a set of incomplete facts.

Third, if the FDA is or has considered putting L-Tyrosine on a "controlled substances list", then lotions will probably no longer contain L-Tyrosine. No Lotion manufacturer is going to operate under the FDA's guidelines for controlled substances.

Lastly, doesn’t the body also produce L-Tyrosine naturally? How can FDA consider banning it?

John
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Education and Training must be tempered with Common Sense.

Tropical Tanning

Oh and by the way. AG is junk. Took it out of my salon a year ago and haven't missed it a bit. Tanners will switch to the lotions you recommend.

John
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Education and Training must be tempered with Common Sense.