tintmobile

I've got a rant of my own. I want to know why the UV people come over to the sunless forum and get all crazy if someone even hints at UV tanning being bad for you. You guys can come over and say that sunless tanning is nasty and you don't want that "sticky" stuff all over you...gross! But god forfrickingbid someone says tanning beds may cause cancer and (Brian Oshman I am talking to you) that you need to educate the stupid sunless people and correct us because you've been at this game since the dinosaur days . It seems that all the UV tanning salon owners are so educated and all the doctors and researchers in the world that say UV tanning is bad for you are wrong.
Anyway, who even cares about whether or not people think UV tanning (or even sunless for that matter) is bad for you? You guys sound like a bunch of tattle tale kindergartners...mommy, he called me a bad name! So, you have a list of sunless companies that bash UV...what are you going to do? Boycott these companies? WHAT IS THE POINT????
And, while I am at it...don't get me wrong, I think the term "truck slammers" is hilarious..but why is it that a mobile sunless company can't get as much respect as a tanning salon? Is it not a business too? Din, I was really perturbed with you when you made your comment "Garage Tans R Us", or something to that effect. Yeah, I am sure there are some people out there who are just trying to make a quick buck and aren't going to put that much effort into making their mobile sunless into a respectable business, but that is not all of us. Why lump us together? You don't know me.
Anyway, so my point is not to argue whether or not UV is good or bad...my point is..WHO CARES?? Why is this an issue on this forum? Why are you trying to come over here and start saying so and so said UV is bad, let's blacklist them. Is this really going to cost you business? If UV tanning is good for you like you say it is (you must know since you are the owner), then your business will be just fine.

So there!

Brian Oshman

First, I will be everywhere on this board so get used to it.

Now, the problem is that the sunless companies would be nothing without the traditional tanning salon. It was the UV salon that took sunless in and made it what it is today. It is all one big industry and for one division to be bashing another division to gain market share is just ethically poor business.

Sunless is a profitable portion of the tanning industry but it would never survive without UV tanning salons. Sunless is 10-20% max of the total business and that's it. When have you ever seen an all sunless salon with 8-10 spray booths and several rooms for spray techs?......Never, because it is not as popular and could never support itself in a stand alone environment.

It is a compliment to a UV salon as an alternative and it always will be. The sunless companies that are bashing UV are just shooting themselves in the a$$ but in this industry that is nothing new. When you tell the public that UV is bad for you to push your alternative to the forefront in a UV salon then that is just bad ethics and is doing the whole industry a disservice.

When these companies use words like cancer and health hazard they are just parroting propaganda generated by the dermoterrorists® as a scare tactic to keep the multi billion dollar pharmaceutical and sunscreen companies profitable. After all, it takes Doctors to keep these companies in business pushing the latest pills down peoples throats and the by product of keeping people sick and in the Doctors offices by keeping them out of the life giving sun and on their ever damaging drugs and poison ointments is what keeps them in business. If you are healthy then you have no need for a Doctor.

The propaganda needs to be challenged and it needs to be stopped. These sunless companies that are latching on to this negative advertising are further killing the industry that brings them profit and it needs to stop. They are just becoming parasites. There is no proof that sunless is 100% safe as it is touted and there will come a time when it will be tested.

We need to blacklist companies that are not for the good of the industry as a whole. They need to change their approach or they need to be abolished. They need to remember where they came from and start thinking long term and stop being whores looking for the quick buck.

Frankie

You are welcome.

On Bronzer

Now, the problem is that the sunless companies would be nothing without the traditional tanning salon. It was the UV salon that took sunless in and made it what it is today. It is all one big industry and for one division to be bashing another division to gain market share is just ethically poor business.

So..is it okay to bash sunless on these boards?

Brian Oshman

Put it this way, UV has been around a lot longer and also Salons adopted it so it has earned the right to tear its arm off and beat it with the bloody end. It is just another service that has been brought into the salon like body wraps, teeth whitening, and countless other add ons and alternatives. It is not the other way around.

You don't see salons and distributors advertising UV to the masses by saying, "Get a real UV tan and don't inhale that sticky, nasty crap® that contains lead, arsenic, and mercury" to get the people to tan for real.

I don't see salons and distributors advertising that when you spray tan you are just directly spraying on the cancer. After all it is not just simple sugar water as we were led to believe, it is a chemical.

Scare tactics are just bad business and it needs to stop. Co-mingle or die.

kpower82

When have you ever seen someone bash sunless without deserving it? The only threads that I've participated in the "sunless bashing" are the posts where a newb starts a thread about how so so got cancer and they want to offer a safe alternative to what God gave us.

For the most part, people in sunless are left alone unless they CROSS THE LINE. This isn't a Sunless only site, just like this isn't a Sunless only industry. Until YOU all learn to respect UV and Salon Owners, you'll get no respect from us on this board or in this industry.

But, ride it for as long as you can. If UV tanning is Adolph Hitler, then you can be sure the Derms will soon make Sunless Saddam Hussein.

DB Hottie

We as salon owners (we have a physical location)- have a huge investment to protect unlike most mobile tanners. You see, it is easy for spray companies to talk their BS, they don't have near the time or money wrapped up in their car.

We UV people have every right to be both forums and like Brian stated- slam it, when need be.

We can co-exist, just don't forget- The salons started the spraying. All we ask for is the respect we deserve.

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On Bronzer

Hey,Hey. I'm all for UV. I'd be out of business without. I was just pointing out that Brian said we shouldn't bash each other (sunless vs UV) so I just asked if it was allowed. Just because sunless bashes UV doesn't mean we need to stoop to their level. We have proven health results on Vitamin D that should speak for its self. I think it would help alot if when the news reports this crap that the ITA takes that opportunity to be interviewed and get the facts out there,to just write a few lines makes it look like the reporting was correct. If they Dr Dermos are willing to be interviewed than so should someone from our industry.IMO Please put your guns down...

kpower82

Again, like Brian said, you don't see UV Salons bashing Sunless on a public stage. It just doesn't happen. You won't see me advertise that spray tan is bad for you and you should get a real tan. I advertise the benefits of UV, not the negatives of something else.

But, when push comes to shove, there's no telling what I may do.

ecc30

I am not a "uv basher" but I do find it quite annoying that it's not ok to bash uv but it's just fine to bash sunless any way you can. And, in the sunless section...uhhhhh?!?!

I also understand there are some properties of sunless tanning that are being questioned for safety. For example, certain ingredients and inhaling the overspray. I have some safety questions regarding uv tanning that are related to the ingredients of the lotions used with indoor tanning. I don't use lotions and beauty products that contain certain ingredient....parabens and sls. I'm wondering how healthy these lotions are with 30 ingredients that I cannot pronounce are. Tanners are lathering these all over their bodies 3 times a week and then heating them up under uv lights.

Thoughts?