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navigatin1 · 07-28-2009, 04:17 PM

This just about sums it up!

I don’t know about the rest of you that are unfortunate to be EDUCATED like myself but I think I’ve had just about enough of the hoopla around the FEAR MARKETING backing ailments that sound very scary but really are not.
But what REALLY busts my hump is that they don’t even care if they are DAMMING the cure just for the sake of FEAR MARKETING.

First we have the fun headline that was the #1 punching bag until the “swine flu” came along:
“The key to avoiding  skin cancer: ‘Sun is the main cause’
Avoid the sun and avoid skin cancer eh? Well what about Vitamin D? Your body produces this when you are exposed to the sun which (in any-other case) would make it a “pro-hormone” not a vitamin but whatever. I’m not a Doctor so maybe I don’t understand.

Then we get this headline:
Critically Ill Patients Lack Vitamin D
Critically Ill…that sounds pretty bad. REAL BAD.
So what is a person to do with 2 conflicting headlines. Either you get skin cancer and Vitamin D or you don’t get skin cancer and Vitamin D BUT you are at risk of becoming “critically ill”.

This brings me to what I like to call DAILY ROUTINE MORTALITY RATE.
This is simply how many people die per year based on doing things that are required to get through a typical day.
Doing a search on my pal Wikipedia there is something called the crude death rate which is the total # of deaths per year per 1000 people REGARDLESS of how they died.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate)

In the United States (which happens to be about the same as the world average) it’s 8 people per 1000 per year meaning about 2,400,000 people die a year in the USA REGARDLESS (300M total pop/1000 x 8).
According to the World Health Organization on their list of reasons people died and the mortality rate there are about 80 ailments SKIN CANCER/Melanoma is #75.
Only Hepatitis C, Leishmaniasis, Trypanosomiasis, and Benign prostatic hyperplasia are less of a risk (so to say) and they are ailments that only the good Dr House would be interested in.
Mortality rate for all skin diseases is 1.1people for every 100,000 in the world which if the population is 6B (6billion / 100,000) * 1.1 is 66,000 people die of some sort of skin disease IN THE WORLD every year.
But that’s still a lot of people right? I guess that depends if it falls above or below DAILY ROUTINE or not. Let’s pick something that would fall under this heading.
Driving a car I would think qualifies.
Well the mortality rate for ROAD TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS is 19.1 for every 100K.
Meaning that (6B/ 100,000 = 60,000 * 19.1) = 1,146,000 VEHICLE RELATED DEATHS EVERY YEAR not because people are working too hard but JUST GETTING TO WORK is killing them before they get there.
Should we have a WAR ON GOING TO WORK????
Ok, car accidents might be too easy. There’s a lot involved there and we are probably doing the best we can with the TV screens they are installing in these things…
So what else? How about something that falls under “CRITICALLY ILL”?
That would be something I think people would be behind a cure for. But what qualifies as Critically ill?? From what I know (and that may not be much) it means you are suffering from something that will kill you unless drastic measures are taken, transplant, transfusion, miracle, whatever.
Now if we look at the Causes of Death Rate again you’d notice that the top 5 on the list would qualify someone as CRITICALLY ILL and they are:

1. Cardiovascular diseases
2. Infectious and parasitic diseases
3. Ischemic heart disease
4. Malignant neoplasms
5. Cerebrovascular disease

So if the main causes of death in the WORLD happen to people with low Vitamin D levels, don’t you think that it would be “worth the risk” of getting skin cancer that NO ONE dies from (#75 out of 80 on the list) to avoid the TOP 5 CAUSES OF DEATH?
Funny, I don’t see SWINE FLU on that list anywhere yet the best way to avoid it is with HIGH LEVELS OF VITAMIN D.

Bottom line, if the AILMENT IN QUESTION does not fall ABOVE other causes of death that qualify as DAILY ROUTINE (driving, falling down, drowning) then it CANNOT and SHOULD NOT have ANY MONEY WASTED ON IT until we figure out a way to cure the CRITICALLY ILL which is clearly more of a problem than skin cancer…ok ok that would be too difficult….let’s cure DEATH BY FALLING first as it’s responsible for 6.1deaths out of every 100,000 in the world.

The end.

Source~ http://yellowfattybean.wordpress.com/

Brian Oshman · 07-28-2009, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paradise Bronze

Ok if that's so true, I had a friend who died of skin cancer 2 years ago. She did use the tanning beds a lot. No one on either side of her family ever had skin cancer but she died from it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamisen1

Food for thought from a reliable medical source, not just tanning salon owners who obviously have a vested interest in promoting their business. The point is that many of us enjoy having a tan and yes, there are some benefits to moderate exposure, ie Vitamin D. However, as with anything, we need to weight the risks and benefits. Just like alcohol, cigarette smoking, flying, driving, getting on a roller coaster, having sex, etc, etc. I have been to countless tanning salons where I have been told to not worry because getting in a tanning bed is healthier for me. Please staff your salons with people who know the risks and can educate their customers properly. A lot of young women do not know this and are being told that it is better than laying out in the sun. Proper education is key. When properly educated on risks vs benefits, you then have the choice and if you develop skin cancer, then you made the choice to put yourself at risk.

More Young Women Get Skin Cancer
Sun-Damaged Skin Slideshow
Study Shows Increase in Melanoma Among Young Women

By Kelley Colihan
WebMD Health News

Reviewed By Louise Chang, MD

July 10, 2008 — A new data review suggests that melanoma is on the rise among young women, but not among young men.

Researchers looked at data from women aged 15 to 39.

The team, led by Mark Purdue of the National Institutes of Health, examined data from a network of cancer registries across the U.S. in the Surveillance, Epidemiology, and End Results (SEER) Program.

The analysis focused on whites diagnosed from 1973 to 2004.

From the 1990s, an increased incidence of melanomas was found in women. In men, the incidence held fairly steady between 1980 and 2004.

Data reviewers noticed a greater increase in young women having thicker and metastatic melanomas during that time period. The researchers suggest that the increase is not just the result of changes in the way the medical community tracks the disease.

Researchers say it's not entirely clear why more and more young women seem to be getting skin cancer.

Separate studies have looked at sun damage trends. Here is some of what the researchers cited:

More and more people in the U.S. are getting sunburn, although trends by age groups have not been reported.
16- to 18-year-olds had a higher incidence of sunburn and reported that they spent more days at the beach in 2004 then they did in 1998.
More young people in the U.S., mostly women, are using tanning beds. Studies suggest that UV rays from tanning beds and tanning lamps can be just as damaging as sun rays.
Melanoma is the deadliest type of skin cancer. Ultraviolent radiation is a main risk factor for developing melanoma.

The study is published in the July 10 edition of the Journal of Investigative Dermatology.

SOURCES: News release, Journal of Investigative Dermatology. Purdue, M. Journal of Investigative Dermatology, published online July 10, 2008.

SHAT THA FAK AAAAAAAAPPPP!!!!!!!!!

Brian Oshman · 07-28-2009, 05:41 PM

For all of the UV bashing ID 10 T's out there, let's turn out the sun for a week and see what happens.

Not only is it Dermoterrorist® propaganda that tanning beds are bad for you while you spend only a short time in them but spend most of your life out in the sun but since it is big business let's spread the false word that tanning is bad for you. Pimple Poppers realize that UV cuts into their treatments when it naturally clears the skin and provides natural vitamin D instead of the pharmaceutical alternative (since they are involved in UV bashing too) of taking supplements and you cannot toxify yourself on the vitamin D from the sun as it is your own body that makes it but you can poison yourself on the artificial alternative that the drug companies and Doctors push on you.

I guess after billions of years, Mother Nature got it wrong in the past ten.

Brian Oshman · 07-28-2009, 05:43 PM

It is time to run the Trunk Slammers® out. Let's see, sun = bad, Sticky, Nasty Crap® chemicals absorbed and inhaled = good.

engfant · 07-28-2009, 05:50 PM

Yeah right, like lung disease is some big deal! It's not even CANCER like skin CANCER dummy face!

Brian Oshman · 07-28-2009, 06:06 PM

Yeah, I guess since you can't see lung cancer it won't hurt you.

eyecandytanning · 07-28-2009, 06:19 PM

Couple of good articles for the ill educated

http://www.kpbs.org/news/2009/jun/03...ause-melanoma/

http://www.buydominica.com/remedies/...e-cancer-risk/

visit http://tantalk.com/think-positive-about-uv/ for info about positive uv exposure

Frankie · 07-28-2009, 06:55 PM

Turn Out The Lights The Party`s Over.

navigatin1 · 07-28-2009, 07:01 PM

What party? What I miss? Sonofab*tch!!! Why didn't anyone tell me there was a party?!?

eileen · 07-28-2009, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyecandytanning

censored yet again! grr why is pointing people to a forum about the positive uv considered free advertising!

this site has gone down the drain between the censoring and the sunless overload!

We have a forum within the site as you very well know.

07-28-2009, 04:17 PM	#41 (permalink)
navigatin1 Derf's My *****! Join Date: Aug 17 2004 Posts: 2,647 Rep Power: 7	Re: Newbie Here: Overwhelmed..What do I do first? This just about sums it up! I don’t know about the rest of you that are unfortunate to be EDUCATED like myself but I think I’ve had just about enough of the hoopla around the FEAR MARKETING backing ailments that sound very scary but really are not. But what REALLY busts my hump is that they don’t even care if they are DAMMING the cure just for the sake of FEAR MARKETING. First we have the fun headline that was the #1 punching bag until the “swine flu” came along: *“The key to avoiding  skin cancer: ‘Sun is the main cause’* Avoid the sun and avoid skin cancer eh? Well what about Vitamin D? Your body produces this when you are exposed to the sun which (in any-other case) would make it a “pro-hormone” not a vitamin but whatever. I’m not a Doctor so maybe I don’t understand. Then we get this headline: *Critically Ill Patients Lack Vitamin D* Critically Ill…that sounds pretty bad. REAL BAD. So what is a person to do with 2 conflicting headlines. Either you get skin cancer and Vitamin D or you don’t get skin cancer and Vitamin D BUT you are at risk of becoming “critically ill”. This brings me to what I like to call DAILY ROUTINE MORTALITY RATE. This is simply how many people die per year based on doing things that are required to get through a typical day. Doing a search on my pal Wikipedia there is something called the crude death rate which is the total # of deaths per year per 1000 people REGARDLESS of how they died. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate) In the United States (which happens to be about the same as the world average) it’s 8 people per 1000 per year meaning about 2,400,000 people die a year in the USA REGARDLESS (300M total pop/1000 x 8). According to the World Health Organization on their list of reasons people died and the mortality rate there are about 80 ailments SKIN CANCER/Melanoma is #75. Only Hepatitis C, Leishmaniasis, Trypanosomiasis, and Benign prostatic hyperplasia are less of a risk (so to say) and they are ailments that only the good Dr House would be interested in. Mortality rate for all skin diseases is 1.1people for every 100,000 in the world which if the population is 6B (6billion / 100,000) * 1.1 is 66,000 people die of some sort of skin disease IN THE WORLD every year. But that’s still a lot of people right? I guess that depends if it falls above or below DAILY ROUTINE or not. Let’s pick something that would fall under this heading. Driving a car I would think qualifies. Well the mortality rate for ROAD TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS is 19.1 for every 100K. Meaning that (6B/ 100,000 = 60,000 * 19.1) = 1,146,000 VEHICLE RELATED DEATHS EVERY YEAR not because people are working too hard but JUST GETTING TO WORK is killing them before they get there. Should we have a WAR ON GOING TO WORK???? Ok, car accidents might be too easy. There’s a lot involved there and we are probably doing the best we can with the TV screens they are installing in these things… So what else? How about something that falls under “CRITICALLY ILL”? That would be something I think people would be behind a cure for. But what qualifies as Critically ill?? From what I know (and that may not be much) it means you are suffering from something that will kill you unless drastic measures are taken, transplant, transfusion, miracle, whatever. Now if we look at the Causes of Death Rate again you’d notice that the top 5 on the list would qualify someone as CRITICALLY ILL and they are: 1. Cardiovascular diseases 2. Infectious and parasitic diseases 3. Ischemic heart disease 4. Malignant neoplasms 5. Cerebrovascular disease So if the main causes of death in the WORLD happen to people with low Vitamin D levels, don’t you think that it would be “worth the risk” of getting skin cancer that NO ONE dies from (#75 out of 80 on the list) to avoid the TOP 5 CAUSES OF DEATH? Funny, I don’t see SWINE FLU on that list anywhere yet the best way to avoid it is with HIGH LEVELS OF VITAMIN D. Bottom line, if the AILMENT IN QUESTION does not fall ABOVE other causes of death that qualify as DAILY ROUTINE (driving, falling down, drowning) then it CANNOT and SHOULD NOT have ANY MONEY WASTED ON IT until we figure out a way to cure the CRITICALLY ILL which is clearly more of a problem than skin cancer…ok ok that would be too difficult….let’s cure DEATH BY FALLING first as it’s responsible for 6.1deaths out of every 100,000 in the world. The end. Source~ http://yellowfattybean.wordpress.com/

07-28-2009, 05:41 PM	#43 (permalink)
Brian Oshman Brian Oshman Join Date: Apr 29 2001 Location: High Bridge, NJ Age: 41 Posts: 2,327 Rep Power: 13	Re: Newbie Here: Overwhelmed..What do I do first? For all of the UV bashing ID 10 T's out there, let's turn out the sun for a week and see what happens. Not only is it Dermoterrorist® propaganda that tanning beds are bad for you while you spend only a short time in them but spend most of your life out in the sun but since it is big business let's spread the false word that tanning is bad for you. Pimple Poppers realize that UV cuts into their treatments when it naturally clears the skin and provides natural vitamin D instead of the pharmaceutical alternative (since they are involved in UV bashing too) of taking supplements and you cannot toxify yourself on the vitamin D from the sun as it is your own body that makes it but you can poison yourself on the artificial alternative that the drug companies and Doctors push on you. I guess after billions of years, Mother Nature got it wrong in the past ten. __________________ ITA Member 2010

07-28-2009, 05:43 PM	#44 (permalink)
Brian Oshman Brian Oshman Join Date: Apr 29 2001 Location: High Bridge, NJ Age: 41 Posts: 2,327 Rep Power: 13	Re: Newbie Here: Overwhelmed..What do I do first? It is time to run the Trunk Slammers® out. Let's see, sun = bad, Sticky, Nasty Crap® chemicals absorbed and inhaled = good. __________________ ITA Member 2010

07-28-2009, 05:50 PM	#45 (permalink)
engfant FREE ENGFANTUCATION Join Date: May 20 2003 Posts: 9,025 Rep Power: 14	Re: Newbie Here: Overwhelmed..What do I do first? Yeah right, like lung disease is some big deal! It's not even CANCER like skin CANCER dummy face! __________________ My nose is big. I'm not ashamed. Big like a pickle and I'm still get'n paid.

07-28-2009, 06:06 PM	#46 (permalink)
Brian Oshman Brian Oshman Join Date: Apr 29 2001 Location: High Bridge, NJ Age: 41 Posts: 2,327 Rep Power: 13	Re: Newbie Here: Overwhelmed..What do I do first? Yeah, I guess since you can't see lung cancer it won't hurt you. __________________ ITA Member 2010

07-28-2009, 06:19 PM	#47 (permalink)
eyecandytanning I'm Banned Join Date: Jan 27 2007 Location: ca Posts: 486 Rep Power: 0	Re: Newbie Here: Overwhelmed..What do I do first? Couple of good articles for the ill educated http://www.kpbs.org/news/2009/jun/03...ause-melanoma/ http://www.buydominica.com/remedies/...e-cancer-risk/ visit http://tantalk.com/think-positive-about-uv/ for info about positive uv exposure Last edited by eileen; 07-28-2009 at 06:35 PM. Reason: No free advertising.

07-28-2009, 06:55 PM	#48 (permalink)
Frankie Join Date: Jul 24 2001 Location: Between The Hedges Posts: 235 Rep Power: 9	Re: Newbie Here: Overwhelmed..What do I do first? Turn Out The Lights The Party`s Over.

07-28-2009, 07:01 PM	#49 (permalink)
navigatin1 Derf's My *****! Join Date: Aug 17 2004 Posts: 2,647 Rep Power: 7	Re: Newbie Here: Overwhelmed..What do I do first? What party? What I miss? Sonofab*tch!!! Why didn't anyone tell me there was a party?!?

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