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Kristie22 06-03-2008 11:41 AM

New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Did any of you airbrush tanners experience opening your business prior to airbrush tanning becoming popular in your area? I'm wondering how long it takes for a concept to catch on in a large rural area (Columbus). Ohio is die-hard tanning bed-heads as I've heard us called. :) I'm wondering when and if airbrush tanning will catch on here. I for one just love it and can't understand why more people would not want to do it given the large publicity of harmful UV rays lately. Thanks!

eileen 06-03-2008 11:43 AM

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Kristie I suggest you spend a day in our forums about the Positives of UV Rays before you could ever understand why we tan for the health of it then I'll get back to you about your question. ;)

sonomatanning 06-03-2008 11:53 AM

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When I started my moble business there was only two salons in town that did tanning (we have over 60 salons and day spas here), now the majority of them have brought in tanning, and it has become so popular that I have stopped training salons how to do airbrushing in my local area as to not bring in more competition.

It took just over a year....and it was booming around here

besthands 06-03-2008 01:04 PM

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Hi Kristie! I started spray tanning about 6 years ago, in the midwest, very rural area. No one around here seemed to have even heard of it then! At the time i owned a Dayspa in a huge fitness center... it only took about 3 weeks of free sprays for the areobic instructors to get my sunless off the ground. Now it's almost 60 % of my income!!!! Fridays and Saturday morning is just spray tanning. Very quick and easy service to do, and its a great springboard for the other services i offer! About 20% of my clients have been treated for skin cancer so sunless is their only option. The rest simply don't have the time to lay in a bed, they like the drive through convience! They are the very best advertising for my business i could ever ask for!! Hope this helps! Stay with it ... it will catch on!! Have a great day!!!

ekc123 06-03-2008 02:35 PM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
i am confused, kristie said airbrush and besthands said spray, so many people still consider them the same. We offer both services and most switch over to airbrush when they see the difference. sprays are real popular with the younger crowd, but the over 30 crowd prefers the airbrush hands down and they do not mind paying the extra money for it.

sonomatanning 06-03-2008 05:37 PM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
I use an hvlp spray gun and do contouring and detail work the airbrush.

besthands 06-12-2008 03:40 PM

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Sorry for the confusion! I use both an airbrush and a hvlp system in the same session. Air brush for contouring, face, details... hvlp for the bigger areas, I just thought everyone does it the same as me. Simply a slip up! Have a great day:)

spraytannedjenn 06-13-2008 08:54 PM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Most likely you can use your HVLP gun to do the contouring (if it is the kind you change the front directional) Put it on an diaginal instead of straight up and down or side to side. Turn the amount of solution coming out down really far. This will give the pin point you need to be able to do the detail work. If someone needs a picture of how that looks let me know and I will see what to do about posting a picture

aloharedhots 06-23-2008 06:43 PM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Kristie,
I tan in an area that is VERY popular with laying out in the sun, but most middle aged women know and are seeing the damaging affects the sun has on their skin. They also have the money to pay for spray tans! A lot of these women can't get into tanning beds or layout due to medical problems and have been banned from doing so by their DOCS. Target these type of women and they will spread the word for you! You can also do your own research whenever you visit your doctor or if you have any medical professionals in your family. I like to tell my clients that use the vitamin D argument this:

I come from a medical family, moms a nurse, uncles a doctor, best friend is in medical school and other best friend in PA school. Most medical professionals do suggest getting 15 minutes of direct sunlight a day 3-5 days a week but NO MORE. That is all your body can absorb and all you need. A very close plastic surgeon friend of mine also said to keep SPF on your FACE, NECK, CHEST and the BACKS of your HANDS when getting your dose of vitamin D because these are the easiest to wrinkle and hardest to fix! Let the vitamin D enter through the rest of your body parts that aren't as fragile! I have never personally met a medical professional that approved tanning lamps or beds of any kind. Even people with depression can use full spectrum lights without the harmful rays. Let's all be smart and get our vitamin D but when it comes to tanning your precious faces just say NO to wrinkles and go with SUNLESS!!!!

eileen 06-24-2008 02:43 PM

questions for aloharedhots
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aloharedhots (Post 14967606)
I like to tell my clients that use the vitamin D argument this:

I come from a medical family, moms a nurse, uncles a doctor, best friend is in medical school and other best friend in PA school. Most medical professionals do suggest getting 15 minutes of direct sunlight a day 3-5 days a week but NO MORE. That is all your body can absorb and all you need. A very close plastic surgeon friend of mine also said to keep SPF on your FACE, NECK, CHEST and the BACKS of your HANDS when getting your dose of vitamin D because these are the easiest to wrinkle and hardest to fix! Let the vitamin D enter through the rest of your body parts that aren't as fragile! I have never personally met a medical professional that approved tanning lamps or beds of any kind. Even people with depression can use full spectrum lights without the harmful rays. Let's all be smart and get our vitamin D but when it comes to tanning your precious faces just say NO to wrinkles and go with SUNLESS!!!!

OMG you have got to be kidding me???? I have a response for you to read soon. I've been behind but shocked you would come onto a PROFESSIONAL TANNING SALONS owners website and post such nonsense. Sorry in advance! I will back this up with questions to your medical professional family shortly and anxiously await thier answers. :)

engfant 06-24-2008 02:44 PM

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SPF doesn't prevent wrinkles my friend. Also, it contains ingredients that are known carcinogens and ingredients that don't absorb which leads to skin problems like acne, etc.

How is that good again?

eileen 06-24-2008 02:50 PM

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I have many questions for your family health professionals. My first scenario is I'm an african american female of 60 years old and I'm about 185 lbs at 5' 5". How does your Dr.'s answer to me help me during the summer when I have a fulltime job and during the winter months from
September until May until the sun comes out again?

I'm picturing myself going outside now and stripping down to a tank and shorts with my sunscreen where you suggested and I'm freezing at the same time (it's January 15th) people are laughing at me.

unity 06-24-2008 02:53 PM

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Wow. That was the weirdest thing I read.

"Even people with depression can use full spectrum lights without the harmful rays."

Thats like two wrongs in one. Vitamin D is the link on the depression. And harmful rays? Well if they are doing it for light therapy the rays would not be harmful unless then over-dose big time, i.e. BURN.

aloharedhots 06-24-2008 06:37 PM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Ok well you don't use any SPF then and I will and when you are 40 going on 65 I'll send you a postcard of me and my 20 year old boyfriend basking in the sun with our sunscreen on the beaches of St Tropez!
I'll use the money I saved from not having to get Botox injections :)

Woodlands 06-24-2008 06:52 PM

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Wrinkles (like stretch marks) have a lot to do with heredity. I have been sitting out in the sun since I was an infant - and back then SPF wasn't a buzz word. I think there was Coppertone and Sea and Ski but mostly you used Solarcaine after you fried yourself the first few times out.

I went through the 70s where we used Crisco (yep, Crisco), baby oil and iodine, and anything else that would turn us brown.

I've grown up in the south and some summers have spent literally every single day on the beach.

I've been using tanning salons for about 5 years but even still spend time at the beach (2 vacations so far this year) and the pool (just today, in fact). I'm 46 and 99 times out of 100, people think I'm in my 30's.

And gravity isn't caused by sun at all, so you're going to have to find a "cure" for that while you're slathering all that SPF on ya ;) No way you're going to have a tight 20 year old body to impress the 20 year old boys with w/o getting some work done. While I'm at the plastic surgeon getting my boob lift at 65, I might get my face done too ;)

unity 06-24-2008 06:56 PM

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Almost ALL sunblock ONLY blocks UVB. Guess what, UVA is the primary aging "death ray" ya speak of.

I cant believe people still put cancer causing agents on their skin. Especially since I became involved here and did a ton of research to make sure I was not being fed fooder.

aloharedhots 06-24-2008 08:13 PM

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True about UVA-that's why I wear sunglasses, a wide-brimmed hat and sit under an umbrella :)

I have read both sides of the whole sun is good/sun is bad debate, but my stance comes from PERSONAL RESEARCH and EXPERIENCE.

I make it a point to ask all medical professionals I run into about their views on the sun, I have yet to meet one who said NOT to wear SPF and to lay in tannig beds! I know there are some publications with docs saying its ok, but I wonder who is funding their studies?!

I have grown up in Alabama and Florida all of my life, and lucky for me when I was younger I HATED getting hot and sweaty outdoors so my laying out was at a minimum. Some of my friends would actually climb on the roof of their houses to lay out on a black surface (or on a trampoline) and coat themselves w Afro Sheen or Baby Oil! Those same friends that I have termed "tanorexics" also kept up their tanning in the winter via tanning bed. My mom wouldn't let me get in bc she is a nurse and worked in Cali on a special study involving the first generation of tanning bedders that were getting into middle-age and had a spike in the % of melanoma than the generations prior to them did. I tried to warn my friends...now that we are getting into our mid-late 20s they all look well over 30 (poor things) and several (the ones who laid in tanning beds daily) have already had pre-cancerous tumors cut off all over their bodies! ICK! Me and the few other gals who chose not to cook ourselves religiously (I am guilty of pre-prom tanning) get carded and mistaken for much younger ALL THE TIME! All the bakers are like man we shoulda listend to yall!

PS I was totally joking about the 20 yr old guy, I am actually happily married to someone almost 20 yrs my senior...he wears his sunscreen too ;)

aloharedhots 06-24-2008 08:13 PM

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UNITY:
PS what about organic and natural sunscreens? DO they still cause cancer?

unity 06-24-2008 08:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aloharedhots (Post 14967826)
UNITY:
PS what about organic and natural sunscreens? DO they still cause cancer?

"Most chemical sunscreens contain from 2 to 5% of benzophenone or its derivatives (oxybenzone, benzophenone-3) as their active ingredient. Benzophenone is one of the most powerful free radical generators known to man."

You sounds smart enough to know what a free radical is and what it does.

I suggest you read a real study.

http://www.vvv.com/healthnews/dsunscre.html

ecc30 06-24-2008 08:52 PM

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This is what I believe based on what I have read.

uv rays are good for you ..your body needs it.

traditional "chemical" sunscreens are full of nasty chemicals and perservatives that are known carcinogens and are known to create free radicals which cause wrinkles...especially when heated.

i have worn traditional sunscreen my whole life. I have also used facial moisturizers and makeup that contained sunscreen for half my life ( I am 30 yo). Last year I had a basal cell skin cancer removed from my face. I've had a lot of sunscreen on my face from different sources. Why at 29 years old should I have skin cancer on my face?

the rate of skin cancer has gone up globally but so has the rate of sunsreen use.

do not trust that just because the fda and traditional medicine tells you something that it is true.

i now use sunscreens with no chemicals, only zinc and titanium dioxide. To be honest, they kind of suck. They are not water proof and you have to really rub them in. But, I believe they are the way to go for me and my skin type.

i now use facial cleansers, moisturizers and makeup without chemical spf.

unity 06-24-2008 08:54 PM

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"the rate of skin cancer has gone up globally but so has the rate of sunsreen use."

Exactly, a LOT of research has show that while sun habits have increased steadily, since the introduction of sunscreens skin cancer rates have gone up much faster.

eileen 06-25-2008 12:01 AM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aloharedhots (Post 14967804)
Ok well you don't use any SPF then and I will and when you are 40 going on 65 I'll send you a postcard of me and my 20 year old boyfriend basking in the sun with our sunscreen on the beaches of St Tropez!
I'll use the money I saved from not having to get Botox injections :)

I have never used spf and I am in my upper 40's. Can you come up with a another reason? I seemed to have beat that one.
You brag about being carded in your 30's. I've been carded over 40...beat that one. Can you come up with anything better as a reason to put chemicals on your face?

eileen 06-25-2008 12:16 AM

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While you think you won't have wrinkles nobody will see your pretty face because you will be bent over with soft bones and osteoperosis from a lack of vitiamin d.

Kristie22 06-25-2008 09:02 AM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Wow, I never knew this about SPF. I am afraid I am using the wrong products to protect me from facial skin damage. I use a UVA/UVB SPF I get from the skin center I go to. I wonder if any studies have been done about the best UVA/UVB SPF brand to use that won't create further skin damage while still protecting you. Anyone know?

unity 06-25-2008 10:00 AM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
If your really concerned about protecting ones self form the "dangers" of UV light, stay in a cave! But its all about moderation. Like Eileen, I hate when I hear a salon is selling an HP bed unlimited.

But aging is inevitable. Eat plenty of antioxidants and get a microdermabrasion (or whatever the heck its called) and call it a day!

aloharedhots 06-25-2008 10:19 AM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
You sun addicts are seriously like cocaine junkies defending their substance. No matter how many studies and facts I gave them about cocaine being bad for them they would argue with me too! What cracks me up is I am not even one of these people who wakes up and slathers myself with sunscreen everyday. I don't even use any SPF on a daily basis, but when I am going to the beach I will take my chances with SPF instead of a sunburn. I know Vitamin D is good for you...read my initial post.
Unity...I would be willing to bet I know more about free radicals than you since I wrote my thesis for my PHD on that and Eicosanoids (if you want to know much about those you will have to go to a UNIVERSITY library, there isn't a whole lot on the net about them and they aren't in most dictionaries). I graduated with a BS when I was 21, an MBA by the time I was 24. I have been a member of MENSA since I was 11, I was the salutatorian of my graduating class and I am currently working on my PHD. I'll trust myself more than you tan addicts.
PS My mom gets carded at 51. She sprays and wears sunscreen :)

eileen 06-25-2008 10:41 AM

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aloha you didn't answer my question about an african american woman.

eileen 06-25-2008 10:46 AM

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That's great about your mom. My mom is 74 and looks awesome. When she was in her early 20's her Dr. prescribed a UV lamp for psoraises. Go figure. The only visit she's ever made to a derm in her life was when my 18 yr old brother appeared to have chicken pox. The derm told her it was a bad case of acne and wanted to prescribe acne meds. Well it was chicken pox and she never visited a derm again.

aloharedhots 06-25-2008 11:02 AM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Did my post come through bc I still can't see it and I really don't want to re-write it and then it come up twice...?

unity 06-25-2008 11:08 AM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aloharedhots (Post 14967886)
You sun addicts are seriously like cocaine junkies defending their substance. No matter how many studies and facts I gave them about cocaine being bad for them they would argue with me too! What cracks me up is I am not even one of these people who wakes up and slathers myself with sunscreen everyday. I don't even use any SPF on a daily basis, but when I am going to the beach I will take my chances with SPF instead of a sunburn. I know Vitamin D is good for you...read my initial post.
Unity...I would be willing to bet I know more about free radicals than you since I wrote my thesis for my PHD on that and Eicosanoids (if you want to know much about those you will have to go to a UNIVERSITY library, there isn't a whole lot on the net about them and they aren't in most dictionaries). I graduated with a BS when I was 21, an MBA by the time I was 24. I have been a member of MENSA since I was 11, I was the salutatorian of my graduating class and I am currently working on my PHD. I'll trust myself more than you tan addicts.
PS My mom gets carded at 51. She sprays and wears sunscreen :)

So your lesser educated than I, your point?

aloharedhots 06-25-2008 11:30 AM

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Ok Unity, where are your degrees from and what are they in? No offense, but someone with a Southpark character as their Icon doesn't seem like the most credible source for information. I am more apt to listen to Eileen bc she looks professional and like she has some sense. By the way, I have been trying to upload a pic myself, but no matter how small I shrink them they are never small enough for tantalk and if I shrink em much more there won't be a picture :( I think all the pics I have are with a camera w lots of megapixels.
I really didn't mean to come off as bragging about my intellegence, I have just always liked to learn. I felt a need to list my achievements considering the dis by Unity about free radicals. I never was good at sports or music but gosh darn it I got to give a graduation speech! LOL Anywho, any of you anti-oxidant junkies tried something called XANGO juice? I've been on it for about a year and LOVE LOVE LOVE it! I don't sell it, I promise. If you are into anti-oxidants you should try it- it has more xanthones than anything else you can buy!

aloharedhots 06-25-2008 11:45 AM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Eileen,
To answer your question about African American women...
I asked my friend in med school what they would tell them to do in that situation and CURRENTLY this is what they suggest:

[i]Objective: The objective was to determine the response of serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D] to oral vitamin D3 supplementation in an African American population.

Design: Healthy black postmenopausal women (n = 208) participated in a vitamin D3 supplementation trial for a period of 3 y. Analyses were done in the vitamin D supplementation arm (n = 104) to quantify the response in serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations at a steady state vitamin D input. The participants received 20 µg/d (800 IU) oral vitamin D3 for the initial 2 y and 50 µg/d (2000 IU) for the third year.

Results: Supplementation with 20 µg/d (800 IU/d) vitamin D3 raised the mean serum 25(OH)D concentration from a baseline of 46.9 ± 20.6 nmol/L to 71.4 ± 21.5 nmol/L at 3 mo. The mean (±SD) concentration of serum 25(OH)D was 87.3 ± 27.0 nmol/L 3 mo after supplementation increased to 50 µg/d (2000 IU/d). All participants achieved a serum 25(OH)D concentration >35 nmol/L, 95% achieved a concentration >50 nmol/L, but only 60% achieved a concentration >75 nmol/L. All patients had concentrations <153 nmol/L. On the basis of our findings, an algorithm for prescribing vitamin D so that patients reach optimal serum concentrations was developed. The algorithm suggests a dose of 70 µg (2800 IU/d) for those with a concentration >45 nmol/L and a dose of 100 µg (4000 IU/d) for those with a concentration <45 nmol/L.

Conclusions: Supplementation with 50 µg/d (2000 IU/d) oral vitamin D3 is sufficient to raise serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations to >50 nmol/L in almost all postmenopausal African American women. However, higher doses were needed to achieve concentrations >75 nmol/L in many women in this population.

That is what they recommend. My friend says that they only very rarely recommend tanning lamps for any kind of treatment bc there are so many more harmful effects (according to her and what they teach in med school). She said so far everyone she has done rotations for has felt that way and they preach moderation, not burning, staying in the shade, staying out of the sun during the hottest parts of the day, never going to tanning beds, and of course eating a balanced diet.

Please keep in mind I just wanted to answer Eileen's question, I haven't personally conducted mass studies and this is just what someone currently in med school had to say about what they teach at this point in time. If you have conducted your own clinical research to prove otherwise then by all means march your butt to Washington to get the curriculum changed!

engfant 06-25-2008 11:59 AM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Simple. We started BLACK and as humans migrated north and south of the equator our skin lightened to allow MORE sun coverage.

As in YOUR SKIN IS GASPING FOR SUNLIGHT if it's pale.

To say otherwise means you don't know what you are talking about.

engfant 06-25-2008 12:08 PM

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The problem with skin cancer is that the number is INFLATED and OVERdiagnosed cause they group in skin warts and other abnormalities that one would grow ANYWAY just having a life span of 80years+.

Even with the over inflated numbers the mortality rate is so low that it falls in with dying from a lightening strike or tripping over one's shoelace and drowning in a puddle of water.

As in YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME WORRYING ABOUT NONSENSE OR TO SELL A COSMETIC ALTERNATIVE VIA SCARE MARKETING.

Either way it has NOTHING to do with someone's well being.

Also, spray tanning can cause "skin cancer" just like walking outside in the polluted environment. Anything that clogs a skin pore and is left to abscess can eventually become some sort of skin cancer.

unity 06-25-2008 12:33 PM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aloharedhots (Post 14967904)
Ok Unity, where are your degrees from and what are they in? No offense, but someone with a Southpark character as their Icon doesn't seem like the most credible source for information. I am more apt to listen to Eileen bc she looks professional and like she has some sense. By the way, I have been trying to upload a pic myself, but no matter how small I shrink them they are never small enough for tantalk and if I shrink em much more there won't be a picture :( I think all the pics I have are with a camera w lots of megapixels.
I really didn't mean to come off as bragging about my intellegence, I have just always liked to learn. I felt a need to list my achievements considering the dis by Unity about free radicals. I never was good at sports or music but gosh darn it I got to give a graduation speech! LOL Anywho, any of you anti-oxidant junkies tried something called XANGO juice? I've been on it for about a year and LOVE LOVE LOVE it! I don't sell it, I promise. If you are into anti-oxidants you should try it- it has more xanthones than anything else you can buy!

So your profiling me based on an avatar? Thats sad, really. And I am sorry, but this is not a ******* match. For someone as "educated" as yourself you should be able to figure out image resolution. It has nothing to do with your camera and all with how you post-process the image. You need to take into a "paint" program and drop the resolution to 72 dpi and then play with the size.

I heard of XANGO juice but prefer cranberry, blueberry and pomegranate juices/blends.

aloharedhots 06-25-2008 12:54 PM

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Actually genius it does have to do with your megapixels. If your camera has a lot, paint will only allow it to go down so far, then you have to have more in-depth software to edit it further

unity 06-25-2008 02:29 PM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aloharedhots (Post 14967918)
Actually genius it does have to do with your megapixels. If your camera has a lot, paint will only allow it to go down so far, then you have to have more in-depth software to edit it further

As a digital photographer, you have now idea how hard I am laughing right now at that statement.

aloharedhots 06-25-2008 03:48 PM

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seriously, my paint program won't let me do that. I noticed this problem first about 6 months ago and my senior systems computer engineer husband told me the same thing-so i told him to try it for himself then-and he couldn't get it to work on my computer either but could on his. I can shrink images that are already kinda small from my moms camera, it is just a normal cyber shot with 4megapixels i think. but ours has 12.40 and it won't let you do it with those pix or with our professional wedding pics!? If I need them resized I always have to use my hubbys computer, i had a free trial of another photo editor software for a while that would let me -we have no idea y my paint wont let you do that but if you have any ideas id be willing to try

unity 06-25-2008 04:46 PM

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Here, try these:

http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/pix...eephotoedw.htm

I heard that Paint.net was really nice, almost on par with Photoshop (which is a pro app). These are free apps, so if you dont like them you are not out anything.

Woodlands 06-25-2008 04:54 PM

Re: New Concept here... airbrush tanning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aloharedhots (Post 14967886)
Unity...I would be willing to bet I know more about free radicals than you since I wrote my thesis for my PHD on that and Eicosanoids (if you want to know much about those you will have to go to a UNIVERSITY library, there isn't a whole lot on the net about them and they aren't in most dictionaries).

"Results 1 - 10 of about 507,000 English pages for Eicosanoids" in Google

Honestly, waving your "intelligence" around like some sort of penis size contest is getting a little old.

If you'd like, I'll get my brother who is doing his post doctorate work (which is what you do after you have a doctorate, so yes, he has a PhD) at Duke in genetics to write up some fancy info about wrinkles, skin cancer, sun, genetics and heredity if that would keep you quiet, but somehow, I don't think even he could convince you.


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