Sunless Airbrush Systems - Page 7

Louis13 · 08-29-2006, 07:13 PM

Hi,
I am just getting into sunless. I had a sunless salon in town close up due to personal reasons and I am going to look at their equipment. They did tanning and airbrush tattoos. They have a Accuspray turbo 2. I think the unit cost around a $1000 new. I don't know about the tattoing equipment. They said they would train me, and I think I can get their customer list (they were not open very long). They never seemed very busy, but I don't really know for sure. I'm thinking if I can get training and customer list it may be worth it.

Has anyone heard of Accuspray turbo 2?
How does it compare to the Caltan 3000. I have a chance to buy one of these used for $500 or a new unit $800. Are they worth it?

Any info you can provide would be appreciated

Herman

NikoMunro · 08-29-2006, 07:37 PM

not spam

nmarcks · 08-29-2006, 07:50 PM

Can't tell you much about your equipment. I use a CalTan Custom Bronzer 4000 and its great. As long as your using HVLP that is a good start.

Did they have a seperate machine for the airbrush tattoos? From reading on here and other forums the tattoo part of the business really doesn't work out to well. Basically comes down to more work then what you make out of it.

I say concentrate on the Spray Tanning. Alot of success depends on yourself. If you a go getter you'll make it. If you think you can just open the doors and people flock in your not going to make it. Get a little capital money to start saved up so you can invest in some advertising in your area. That is the biggest key. You need to get your name out there.

sunsationcary · 08-29-2006, 07:51 PM

goto northerntool.com get a 100$ compressor and order breeze solution 5 gallons for 200$. It is the best and I do great. CHEAP

NikoMunro · 08-30-2006, 12:26 AM

Get the best system you can afford and make sure IT'S ACCOMPANIED BY comprehensive training . I can not stress the importance of training. Carry a high end enhancement line to the sunless system. There's big money in retail and if it's a good line, your customers will have better results and will be more likely to return. MARKET yourself in every concievable way. Price yourself well, put together attractive packages and go heavy on the PROMOTIONS. If you work with a good sunless company who teaches you well and are in a good location you stand a great chance of being successful . Best of luck!

Louis13 · 08-31-2006, 08:50 PM

How can the breeze solution be so cheap? I thought most of the solutions were about a $100+ per gal.

Herman

NikoMunro · 09-01-2006, 10:58 AM

On Bronzer · 09-01-2006, 04:10 PM

Breeze is cheap if you buy in volume. All About ME is $75.00 a gallon.

international · 09-05-2006, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmarcks

Easiest way to cover your ceiling (I take its kind of open at the top and if you wanted to you could throw a penny over the wall into the next room) is to cover it with some thicker black or any color fabric and staple it down on the top of the wall. You should have no problem pulling it tight and making it look perfect. I guess the only problem with that maybe where your lights are in the room. If there high above the top of the wall this won't work. If they are about level or close to the top of the wall you could easily make a small frame around the light and run the fabric up to that. Only other thing is to actually put a suspended ceiling into the room. Keep in mind with HVLP the spray tends to drop then rise.

your right about my ceilings, i could throw a penny over the top into the other room. I only have a room on the left hand side of the room so i would only need a drapery on that one side. As far as making a suspended cieling, what material should I use? SHould i stick with a thicker fabric?? but that how would i clean it and i would need to put this fabric behind the exhaust fan in the ceiling?

Some of you mentioned using exhaust fans? Are you using ones similar to the exhaust fans for bathrooms? Also, what kind of filter and where did you purchase the filter your talking about putting behind the exhaust fan.
Thanks so much for the advice

GoldenGirl69 · 09-12-2006, 10:59 AM

A wagner paint gun? You've got to be kidding me! Do you expect to see your dentist using a power drill when you walk in? Why in the world would you use a commercial paintgun (intended for fences and walls) on a client's body? I did some research on this subject and you have been mislead my the common misconceptions. A lot of the information posted sounds like something a salesperson would say to sell the HVLP turbine over the airbrush.

My intentions are neither but to put some clarity on the issue. So here goes.

It is true that you have the ability to run a hobby shop compressor at 40 psi. However, that is way too high for an airbrush. Airbrushes operate at a level between 10 and 20 psi. But!!!! The hoses and openings are so small, usually less than .5 or .4 that it is very soft. Once the air bottlenecks through the tip your psi goes way down. If you set an airbrush to 10 psi it is probably 5psi or less at the tip. So the air is restricted at the tip and comes out slowly.

There is so much false information regarding HVLP systems it can make your head spin. The problem is that most of your claims are taken from the painting industry as if you were spraying a car with hazardous paint.

Unfortunately HVLP in professional painting and HVLP in spray tanning don't hold true to the same results. HVLP at 10psi at the tip is still 10X stronger air flow than any airbrush machine. It is because the volume of air (HENCE the HV for High Volume of Air at a Lower Pressure...the LP). All professional paint guns come with a manufacturers warning of not to spray directly on skin because of accidental paint injection into the skin and into the blood stream.

Tanning systems are usually private label and all the origional manuals have been removed and new modified versions are put back in their place.

Paint injected to the blood stream can be toxic and most paints have chemicals that go right through the skin's protective lining. Tanning solutions are non toxic and don't posses such harsh chemicals that injection would occur, rarely does the solution pass the stratum corneum.

The potential so called dangers with HVLP turbines would be application to areas of the body that are not as well protected and have thinner and more sensitive skin. A perfect example is the face.

So the FDA has never approved any spray gun, HVLP or not to be sprayed onto the skin.

When speaking to Fantasy Tan they replied that safety is their number one concern and that they have a new technology, a new innovation that uses HTAS vs HVLP which is much softer and is a mini spray gun that operates at 15psi and is restriced to body use only. It has a higher transfer efficiency than HVLP. HVLP guns have a 65% transfer efficiency. Conventional spray guns are horrible and they transfer solution or pain at ranges between 20-35%. HTAS has an 85% transfer efficiency and was developed in Europe because of much stricter emmision laws. The California EPA enforces a ruling which restricts spray guns to 10psi at the tip and then they are allowed to rate the gun as HVLP, however the air requirements generated to produce 10psi at the tip, remember air squeezing through a tiny hole on a turbine or compressed air system can be up to 50+ psi.

Sorry for the long story but I am always bothered by posts that are very vague and can be misleading. I hope this answers some questions.

08-29-2006, 07:13 PM	#61 (permalink)
Louis13 Join Date: Apr 15 2005 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Re: Sunless Airbrush Systems Hi, I am just getting into sunless. I had a sunless salon in town close up due to personal reasons and I am going to look at their equipment. They did tanning and airbrush tattoos. They have a Accuspray turbo 2. I think the unit cost around a $1000 new. I don't know about the tattoing equipment. They said they would train me, and I think I can get their customer list (they were not open very long). They never seemed very busy, but I don't really know for sure. I'm thinking if I can get training and customer list it may be worth it. Has anyone heard of Accuspray turbo 2? How does it compare to the Caltan 3000. I have a chance to buy one of these used for $500 or a new unit $800. Are they worth it? Any info you can provide would be appreciated Herman

08-29-2006, 07:37 PM	#62 (permalink)
NikoMunro Join Date: Aug 16 2006 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	Re: Sunless Airbrush Systems not spam Last edited by MATT A; 08-29-2006 at 07:47 PM.

08-29-2006, 07:50 PM	#63 (permalink)
nmarcks Join Date: May 23 2006 Location: Appleton Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	Re: Sunless Airbrush Systems Can't tell you much about your equipment. I use a CalTan Custom Bronzer 4000 and its great. As long as your using HVLP that is a good start. Did they have a seperate machine for the airbrush tattoos? From reading on here and other forums the tattoo part of the business really doesn't work out to well. Basically comes down to more work then what you make out of it. I say concentrate on the Spray Tanning. Alot of success depends on yourself. If you a go getter you'll make it. If you think you can just open the doors and people flock in your not going to make it. Get a little capital money to start saved up so you can invest in some advertising in your area. That is the biggest key. You need to get your name out there.

08-29-2006, 07:51 PM	#64 (permalink)
sunsationcary Join Date: Feb 27 2005 Age: 35 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Re: Sunless Airbrush Systems goto northerntool.com get a 100$ compressor and order breeze solution 5 gallons for 200$. It is the best and I do great. CHEAP

08-30-2006, 12:26 AM	#65 (permalink)
NikoMunro Join Date: Aug 16 2006 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	Re: Sunless Airbrush Systems Get the best system you can afford and make sure IT'S ACCOMPANIED BY comprehensive training . I can not stress the importance of training. Carry a high end enhancement line to the sunless system. There's big money in retail and if it's a good line, your customers will have better results and will be more likely to return. MARKET yourself in every concievable way. Price yourself well, put together attractive packages and go heavy on the PROMOTIONS. If you work with a good sunless company who teaches you well and are in a good location you stand a great chance of being successful . Best of luck!

08-31-2006, 08:50 PM	#66 (permalink)
Louis13 Join Date: Apr 15 2005 Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Re: Sunless Airbrush Systems How can the breeze solution be so cheap? I thought most of the solutions were about a $100+ per gal. Herman

09-01-2006, 10:58 AM	#67 (permalink)
NikoMunro Join Date: Aug 16 2006 Location: Beverly Hills Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	Re: Sunless Airbrush Systems SPAM Last edited by ALOHATANCA; 09-12-2006 at 01:39 PM.

09-01-2006, 04:10 PM	#68 (permalink)
On Bronzer Join Date: Jan 30 2006 Location: Michigan Posts: 397 Rep Power: 3	Re: Sunless Airbrush Systems Breeze is cheap if you buy in volume. All About ME is $75.00 a gallon.

09-12-2006, 10:59 AM	#70 (permalink)
GoldenGirl69 Join Date: Jun 20 2005 Age: 39 Posts: 39 Rep Power: 0	Re: Sunless Airbrush Systems A wagner paint gun? You've got to be kidding me! Do you expect to see your dentist using a power drill when you walk in? Why in the world would you use a commercial paintgun (intended for fences and walls) on a client's body? I did some research on this subject and you have been mislead my the common misconceptions. A lot of the information posted sounds like something a salesperson would say to sell the HVLP turbine over the airbrush. My intentions are neither but to put some clarity on the issue. So here goes. It is true that you have the ability to run a hobby shop compressor at 40 psi. However, that is way too high for an airbrush. Airbrushes operate at a level between 10 and 20 psi. But!!!! The hoses and openings are so small, usually less than .5 or .4 that it is very soft. Once the air bottlenecks through the tip your psi goes way down. If you set an airbrush to 10 psi it is probably 5psi or less at the tip. So the air is restricted at the tip and comes out slowly. There is so much false information regarding HVLP systems it can make your head spin. The problem is that most of your claims are taken from the painting industry as if you were spraying a car with hazardous paint. Unfortunately HVLP in professional painting and HVLP in spray tanning don't hold true to the same results. HVLP at 10psi at the tip is still 10X stronger air flow than any airbrush machine. It is because the volume of air (HENCE the HV for High Volume of Air at a Lower Pressure...the LP). All professional paint guns come with a manufacturers warning of not to spray directly on skin because of accidental paint injection into the skin and into the blood stream. Tanning systems are usually private label and all the origional manuals have been removed and new modified versions are put back in their place. Paint injected to the blood stream can be toxic and most paints have chemicals that go right through the skin's protective lining. Tanning solutions are non toxic and don't posses such harsh chemicals that injection would occur, rarely does the solution pass the stratum corneum. The potential so called dangers with HVLP turbines would be application to areas of the body that are not as well protected and have thinner and more sensitive skin. A perfect example is the face. So the FDA has never approved any spray gun, HVLP or not to be sprayed onto the skin. When speaking to Fantasy Tan they replied that safety is their number one concern and that they have a new technology, a new innovation that uses HTAS vs HVLP which is much softer and is a mini spray gun that operates at 15psi and is restriced to body use only. It has a higher transfer efficiency than HVLP. HVLP guns have a 65% transfer efficiency. Conventional spray guns are horrible and they transfer solution or pain at ranges between 20-35%. HTAS has an 85% transfer efficiency and was developed in Europe because of much stricter emmision laws. The California EPA enforces a ruling which restricts spray guns to 10psi at the tip and then they are allowed to rate the gun as HVLP, however the air requirements generated to produce 10psi at the tip, remember air squeezing through a tiny hole on a turbine or compressed air system can be up to 50+ psi. Sorry for the long story but I am always bothered by posts that are very vague and can be misleading. I hope this answers some questions.

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