Poor fade results when spraying dark

fluffy · 02-07-2006, 05:57 PM

We just starting use Breeze products (#5 and #9). We have had a successful spray with #5 , skin type was light and we just gave a light color. The fade was not even noticeable. Had a client call in today that was sprayed 7 days ago with #9, fair skin - wanted to be really dark. She said it looked good for 2 days, and then she looked like an old woman with horizontal stretch marks all over her body. We couldn't believe it, but had her come in to show us today (day 7) and it was just like she said. I've heard all good comments about breeze products but now I'm concerned. This lady has had several spray tans, so she knows the rap. (exfoliate, moisturize, moisturize, moisturize). She claims she didn't do anything that would have caused this. Has anyone had this problem? Or have any suggestions? I'm wondering if you can only take someone so dark before the fade is really bad. She looked great when she was sprayed, solution was not sticky and the color looked fairly natural (as natural as a spray tan can look).

clubtan1 · 02-07-2006, 06:19 PM

Just a guess but it may be the result of applying too much at once. It's possible that the skin is only able to absorb so much much DHA at one time. The top, outer layer may never get absorbed and when it comes off it may pull some of the bottom layer. Try spraying her normally for two days in a row and give each layer of DHA a chance to be absorbed. DHA, in it self, is clear until it reacts with the skin protein. It's the bronzers that give immediate color.

Tanfaker · 02-08-2006, 07:15 AM

Too high DHA% on light skin will do just as you've said. Over application of products will do this also. It is possible part of it is the quality of the solution, some are better than others, but most likely it is a combination of this and going too dark for this particular client.

Basically what happens is, as the client's skin (tan) is being sloughed off, the "new" skin underneath is being exposed and has much more contrast than that of a lighter solution. Hence, it's much more noticeable. There's really something to that saying of, "too much of a good thing"...Yadda yadda.

It isn't easy to convince any client that what is dark for them is the best way to go. They aren't ever going to be the darkest in the room, and that's okay. The best sunless tan is the one that looks realistic, not the darkest, necessarily.

glamarama · 02-08-2006, 11:11 AM

same thing happens to me when i wanna be dark for the weekend & do the mystic level 3 - it's disgusting looking after 2 or 3 days of looking awesome (!), but you will even see photos of Christina Aguilera & Paris Hilton post spray lookin' patchy . . . can happen to anyone!

you just have to scrub it off, wait & respray lighter!

Tanology · 02-08-2006, 12:11 PM

What everyone said is some great advice. Also proper exfoliation prior to spray makes a big difference. When someone wants to be really dark in one spray I totally explain all this can happen^^^^, to help it shed off more evenly I tell them to start exfoliating in about 2 days. I recomend the primer by cal tan. Exfoliate and lotion everyday. Getting sprayed that dark in one session should on be a special occasion thing. I explain to them yes we can get you really dark for your 1 day special occasion but the aftermath is not so pretty. If someone wants to be dark dark all the time. I recomend doing a california cocktail- Tanning bed, bronzer lotion then spray. or have them come in I spray them with 8% solution then two days later come in again and I spray them again. Lots of maintance with spray tanning people don't realize it. But it is a great alternative to tanning for people who don't or can't tan in beds. If the person already has a dark tan from beds or sun and they just want to get over their plateau I will spray them with 10-12% solution you really don't have to worry about it shedding unevenly because they have a tan underneath. Unless their skin is dry from overexposure and they don't use lotion everyday. Then it can flake off quite rapidly.
Clubtan1 was so right about overspraying think of your skin as a sponge it can only absorb so much at a time. Use a blow dryer inbetween sprays this will help it asorb.

glamarama · 02-08-2006, 12:53 PM

excellent advise Tanology - i am in time out or would have expressed this via points!

just a quick question:
I was told the cocktail is a mystic & a UV tan & not to use lotion for the tan . . .
you aer having good results with the client using a bronzer lotion followed by a spray?

i have never even tried it myself because of what we were told about having clean, lotion free skin save for the areas you want to control DHA absorption

Tanology · 02-08-2006, 05:07 PM

Yes at first I would just put them in the bed with an aloe gel to build up the amino acids. Did this instead of lotion because I thought lotion would fill up the cuticle and do the sponge effect(skin can only absorb so much and when they got sprayed I thought the skin wouldn't accept the solution as much) But when I though about it some lotions have dha in them. This time of year skin is dryer so I throw them in the bed with a lotion that includes dha in it soaks right in then to the spray tan booth or they get custom airbrushed. It works wonders. I now will not do one with out the other personally. Seems like the tanning solution absorbs more evenly when they go in the bed with a bronzer first. Try it. The trick is to stay in the bed enough time to be effective but not enough time to get sweaty. I have fifteen minute beds so I would say for a level 3 skintype with no base maybe around 6 minutes. Oh and rub the tanning lotion in completely.

Glam, think about how nice your face gets when you use the vivid (I believe it has dha in it)same thing but add a little uv to the formula(heat also opens up the cuticle sucks more solution). Try it you will be so happy. Like I said just make sure you rub it all in and if you are fortunate enough to have a stand up use that that way you don't have to worry about sweating. Let me know what you think. :)

fluffy · 02-08-2006, 10:07 PM

I am unaware of the benefits Tanology spoke about regarding using a UV bed / bronzer lotion to open the cuticle. Is this proceedure good for someone that doesn't normally lay in a uv bed? Double, triple bronzer? How do you decide? We normally use our stand up for drying (5 min). I'd assume that if we're using the bed upfront to prime for airbrushing, we would not want to use it again for drying?(overexposing someone with fair skin). How does building up the amino acids help? Very interesting and I'd like to give this a try. Any info you can provide would be a great help. What type of solution do you use?

Tanology · 02-09-2006, 10:06 AM

Is good for someone that doesn't lay in the beds normally? Depends, are they allergic to the sun? Are they on any meds that make them sensitive? I never go in my beds unless I am going in the spray tan booth. I don't have a base tan and I am type 2 skin. So I do it. No don't use the the uv tanning after if you do it before I would think this would be too much exposure. Amino acids is what dha interacts with aloe also can be a ph balancer help to stop the orange color on white *** girls like my self :).
As far a which bronzer to use, that totally depends also. What skin type is the person. 1-2-3-4. If they are naturally dark or have a great base tan than by all means use a stronger bronzer. If they are white, white than you would use a mild bronzer. I really like for white girls glow girl by protan. I also have some left over figi shades of darkness. I will use this because I can customize how much I think the client will need. I just put in a sample cup and remind them that they need to completley rub it in and to use the wet wipes in the rooms to clean up their hands.

Just try it out play with it. Get comfortable with the idea before you offer it. May sure it is going to work for you and your clientele.
Because I do spa type services I have robes. This way they don't need to redress to move from one room to the other.

rgm824 · 02-09-2006, 10:13 AM

what about people with mystic beds - would this "california cocktail with lotion" work for this scenario as well? - also what tnning lotion exactly are you using? i would be hesitant to use some that don't soak into the skin right away and remain for awhile - like spellbound? which ones would you recommend for this?

02-07-2006, 05:57 PM	#1 (permalink)
fluffy Join Date: Feb 7 2006 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Poor fade results when spraying dark We just starting use Breeze products (#5 and #9). We have had a successful spray with #5 , skin type was light and we just gave a light color. The fade was not even noticeable. Had a client call in today that was sprayed 7 days ago with #9, fair skin - wanted to be really dark. She said it looked good for 2 days, and then she looked like an old woman with horizontal stretch marks all over her body. We couldn't believe it, but had her come in to show us today (day 7) and it was just like she said. I've heard all good comments about breeze products but now I'm concerned. This lady has had several spray tans, so she knows the rap. (exfoliate, moisturize, moisturize, moisturize). She claims she didn't do anything that would have caused this. Has anyone had this problem? Or have any suggestions? I'm wondering if you can only take someone so dark before the fade is really bad. She looked great when she was sprayed, solution was not sticky and the color looked fairly natural (as natural as a spray tan can look).

02-07-2006, 06:19 PM	#2 (permalink)
clubtan1 Join Date: Jan 31 2005 Posts: 3,317 Rep Power: 42	Re: Poor fade results when spraying dark Just a guess but it may be the result of applying too much at once. It's possible that the skin is only able to absorb so much much DHA at one time. The top, outer layer may never get absorbed and when it comes off it may pull some of the bottom layer. Try spraying her normally for two days in a row and give each layer of DHA a chance to be absorbed. DHA, in it self, is clear until it reacts with the skin protein. It's the bronzers that give immediate color. Last edited by clubtan1; 02-07-2006 at 06:22 PM.

02-08-2006, 07:15 AM	#3 (permalink)
Tanfaker Join Date: Feb 22 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 141 Rep Power: 5	Re: Poor fade results when spraying dark Too high DHA% on light skin will do just as you've said. Over application of products will do this also. It is possible part of it is the quality of the solution, some are better than others, but most likely it is a combination of this and going too dark for this particular client. Basically what happens is, as the client's skin (tan) is being sloughed off, the "new" skin underneath is being exposed and has much more contrast than that of a lighter solution. Hence, it's much more noticeable. There's really something to that saying of, "too much of a good thing"...Yadda yadda. It isn't easy to convince any client that what is dark for them is the best way to go. They aren't ever going to be the darkest in the room, and that's okay. The best sunless tan is the one that looks realistic, not the darkest, necessarily.

02-08-2006, 11:11 AM	#4 (permalink)
glamarama Join Date: Jan 31 2005 Location: GTA Posts: 409 Rep Power: 7	Re: Poor fade results when spraying dark same thing happens to me when i wanna be dark for the weekend & do the mystic level 3 - it's disgusting looking after 2 or 3 days of looking awesome (!), but you will even see photos of Christina Aguilera & Paris Hilton post spray lookin' patchy . . . can happen to anyone! you just have to scrub it off, wait & respray lighter!

02-08-2006, 12:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
Tanology BFF Police Patrol Join Date: Jul 23 2004 Location: BFF Headquarters!!!! Age: 34 Posts: 1,005 Rep Power: 56	Re: Poor fade results when spraying dark What everyone said is some great advice. Also proper exfoliation prior to spray makes a big difference. When someone wants to be really dark in one spray I totally explain all this can happen^^^^, to help it shed off more evenly I tell them to start exfoliating in about 2 days. I recomend the primer by cal tan. Exfoliate and lotion everyday. Getting sprayed that dark in one session should on be a special occasion thing. I explain to them yes we can get you really dark for your 1 day special occasion but the aftermath is not so pretty. If someone wants to be dark dark all the time. I recomend doing a california cocktail- Tanning bed, bronzer lotion then spray. or have them come in I spray them with 8% solution then two days later come in again and I spray them again. Lots of maintance with spray tanning people don't realize it. But it is a great alternative to tanning for people who don't or can't tan in beds. If the person already has a dark tan from beds or sun and they just want to get over their plateau I will spray them with 10-12% solution you really don't have to worry about it shedding unevenly because they have a tan underneath. Unless their skin is dry from overexposure and they don't use lotion everyday. Then it can flake off quite rapidly. Clubtan1 was so right about overspraying think of your skin as a sponge it can only absorb so much at a time. Use a blow dryer inbetween sprays this will help it asorb. __________________ I apologize to all the members of Tantalk for acting stupid. This is the greatest tanning site ever.

02-08-2006, 12:53 PM	#6 (permalink)
glamarama Join Date: Jan 31 2005 Location: GTA Posts: 409 Rep Power: 7	Re: Poor fade results when spraying dark excellent advise Tanology - i am in time out or would have expressed this via points! just a quick question: I was told the cocktail is a mystic & a UV tan & not to use lotion for the tan . . . you aer having good results with the client using a bronzer lotion followed by a spray? i have never even tried it myself because of what we were told about having clean, lotion free skin save for the areas you want to control DHA absorption

02-08-2006, 05:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tanology BFF Police Patrol Join Date: Jul 23 2004 Location: BFF Headquarters!!!! Age: 34 Posts: 1,005 Rep Power: 56	Re: Poor fade results when spraying dark Yes at first I would just put them in the bed with an aloe gel to build up the amino acids. Did this instead of lotion because I thought lotion would fill up the cuticle and do the sponge effect(skin can only absorb so much and when they got sprayed I thought the skin wouldn't accept the solution as much) But when I though about it some lotions have dha in them. This time of year skin is dryer so I throw them in the bed with a lotion that includes dha in it soaks right in then to the spray tan booth or they get custom airbrushed. It works wonders. I now will not do one with out the other personally. Seems like the tanning solution absorbs more evenly when they go in the bed with a bronzer first. Try it. The trick is to stay in the bed enough time to be effective but not enough time to get sweaty. I have fifteen minute beds so I would say for a level 3 skintype with no base maybe around 6 minutes. Oh and rub the tanning lotion in completely. Glam, think about how nice your face gets when you use the vivid (I believe it has dha in it)same thing but add a little uv to the formula(heat also opens up the cuticle sucks more solution). Try it you will be so happy. Like I said just make sure you rub it all in and if you are fortunate enough to have a stand up use that that way you don't have to worry about sweating. Let me know what you think. :) __________________ I apologize to all the members of Tantalk for acting stupid. This is the greatest tanning site ever. Last edited by Tanology; 02-08-2006 at 05:19 PM.

02-08-2006, 10:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
fluffy Join Date: Feb 7 2006 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Re: Poor fade results when spraying dark I am unaware of the benefits Tanology spoke about regarding using a UV bed / bronzer lotion to open the cuticle. Is this proceedure good for someone that doesn't normally lay in a uv bed? Double, triple bronzer? How do you decide? We normally use our stand up for drying (5 min). I'd assume that if we're using the bed upfront to prime for airbrushing, we would not want to use it again for drying?(overexposing someone with fair skin). How does building up the amino acids help? Very interesting and I'd like to give this a try. Any info you can provide would be a great help. What type of solution do you use?

02-09-2006, 10:06 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tanology BFF Police Patrol Join Date: Jul 23 2004 Location: BFF Headquarters!!!! Age: 34 Posts: 1,005 Rep Power: 56	Re: Poor fade results when spraying dark Is good for someone that doesn't lay in the beds normally? Depends, are they allergic to the sun? Are they on any meds that make them sensitive? I never go in my beds unless I am going in the spray tan booth. I don't have a base tan and I am type 2 skin. So I do it. No don't use the the uv tanning after if you do it before I would think this would be too much exposure. Amino acids is what dha interacts with aloe also can be a ph balancer help to stop the orange color on white *** girls like my self :). As far a which bronzer to use, that totally depends also. What skin type is the person. 1-2-3-4. If they are naturally dark or have a great base tan than by all means use a stronger bronzer. If they are white, white than you would use a mild bronzer. I really like for white girls glow girl by protan. I also have some left over figi shades of darkness. I will use this because I can customize how much I think the client will need. I just put in a sample cup and remind them that they need to completley rub it in and to use the wet wipes in the rooms to clean up their hands. Just try it out play with it. Get comfortable with the idea before you offer it. May sure it is going to work for you and your clientele. Because I do spa type services I have robes. This way they don't need to redress to move from one room to the other. __________________ I apologize to all the members of Tantalk for acting stupid. This is the greatest tanning site ever. Last edited by Tanology; 02-09-2006 at 10:22 AM.

02-09-2006, 10:13 AM	#10 (permalink)
rgm824 I love Derf!! Join Date: Aug 2 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 925 Rep Power: 7	Re: Poor fade results when spraying dark what about people with mystic beds - would this "california cocktail with lotion" work for this scenario as well? - also what tnning lotion exactly are you using? i would be hesitant to use some that don't soak into the skin right away and remain for awhile - like spellbound? which ones would you recommend for this?

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