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TJ 01-11-2006 05:10 PM

Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
Just wondereing if anyone out there was making money with the Lumiere machine. I hear they are doing great on the west coast, in Las Vegas and in Miami. How about anywhere else???

TJ 01-15-2006 08:08 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
OK......Does anyone in the midwest have a lumiere machine?

lady bug 01-15-2006 08:09 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
Ok a lumiere what......? I'm on the east coast , I be dumb!! lol

TJ 01-16-2006 07:09 AM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
lumiere is an LED Light therapy machine for the face. Owned by RAI lotion company.
www.pathwaytobeauty.com

lady bug 01-16-2006 08:02 AM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
oh, oh !! ok, nope dont have one....! Dont think it would do to hot here..

Sidney UV-Free 01-16-2006 07:30 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
Do you have one? Know anyone who uses it? How much is cost? Does it really work? Can anyone use it in their salon?

TJ 01-17-2006 08:08 AM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
Yes I have one. I have customers using it and my wife and I uses it. Yes it does work. I just don't think the midwest is ready for it yet. Like I stated above, it seems to be doing great on the West coast ,Vegas and Miami. 30 Day treatment packages are from $299 to $499 including a supply of products to be used along with the light. Much cheaper thatn microdermibrasion and chemical peals. The machine cost over $30,000 . It has been approved by the FDA as a non medical facial rejuvinating divice. Anyone can provide this service in any business. I only hope I have more business with it this year than I had last year.

SBeth 01-17-2006 10:42 AM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
What forms of advertising have you done, what have you found works the best? We just got ours a month or so ago, and haven't done any advertising as of yet, but plan on it very soon!

glamarama 01-19-2006 11:30 AM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
there is an interesting link regarding the testing of the Lumiere -

http://sympatico-msn-ca.com.com/Meas...tml?tag=st.num

TJ 01-19-2006 11:48 AM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
I've done Newspaper ads and special event weekends with free first sessions. RAI promised a huge National advertising campain on national TV shows and National news shows from RAI. All I needed to do was wait for the phone to start ringing after the Nashville show where it was unvailed in 04. I'm still waiting and being drained. I wish I would have bought a High pressure bed.

TJ 01-19-2006 12:02 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
That link doesn't take me anywere.

Tan Talker 01-20-2006 08:57 AM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
packages are from $299 to $499 including a supply of products to be used along with the light. Much cheaper than microdermibrasion and chemical peals. The machine cost over $30,000 . It has been approved by the FDA as a non medical facial rejuvinating divice. Anyone can provide this service in any business. I only hope I have more business with it this year than I had last year

This device is a non medical machine. It is a product driven device, which means the products are actually working on the skin to achieve results.


An FDA approval letter indicates that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved a product for commercial distribution. The letter specifies conditions of approval for the sale, distribution, and use of the product. FDA indications are based on safety and efficacy data used to approve a device for broad distribution.


Our studio is a medically supervised facility. Our Doctor is a Dermatologist/Internist who researched LED therapy and equipment for us including the above mentioned device, and we bought a Medical facial rejuvenation LED machine for about 1/3 the cost of the above mentioned machine.

Our machine must be administered by an aesthetician and touch the face for the prescribed amount of time over a series of applications for any results to be seen. Women and men who are used to having facials and skin care procedures prefer feeling the human touch and enjoy the relaxing massage that is associated with it and when used in conjunction with peels and Microdermabrasion the results are excellent. These procedures are not more expensive than just using a LED machine and some products.

The ROI on our medical grade machine, even with the aesthetician's pay is much greater and the machine will pay for itself much more quickly than some LED machines on the market. FDA approval doesn’t mean it is a guarantee that the product will live up to its claims.


Return on investment of any machine depends on cost of the unit added to the cost of doing business vs. sales of service or product. How many services or products must you sell to recoup your investment before you start making a profit? And if any business can use the same device as you what would keep your neighboring nail or hair salon from having the same machine and undercutting your price to get your business? Is there a non-compete clause in your agreement?

Unless you are a licensed skincare facility or medically supervised facility carefully consider bringing in devices that make medical claims, but are not medical devices. Is the promised revenue going to pay for the investment and eventually make a profit and how soon? Otherwise stick to tanning and tanning related products.


Just my humble and unsolicited observation and opinion.

TJ 01-23-2006 02:52 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
Our salon is a licensed skincare facility. My wife is a licensed Esthetician and we still can't seem to spark the interest to get people to spend this kind of money for treatments, although they will pay $60 for a facial and not think a thing about it. I have never seen any advertisements for Microdermabrasion or peels in our area that gave you 6 sessions with a supply of topical products for $299 or 12 sessions for $499, so I guess these procedures are much cheaper in your area. I also think the units need to be comparded as far as the led light output. The Lumière Photo-Thèrapie device uses an array of carefully arranged LED bulbs to deliver pure, uniform, narrowband red light at precisely 633 nanometers. From what I understand, the difference in Lumiere and hand held devices is that the hand held divices can not hold a precise wave lenth. All I know is that it does work. I had noticable results and so did my wife. But yes, I still wish I had bought a High Pressure bed instead.

absolutestyle 02-04-2006 09:24 AM

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TALK

absolutestyle 02-04-2006 09:35 AM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
STAY AWAY FROM THIS LUMIERE
THE MACHINE DOES WORK ,BUT UNTIL RAI DOES NATIONAL ADVERTISING YOU WON'T MAKE ANY MONEY 30,00.00 WILL MAKE YOUR INVESTMENT AN UP/SIDE DOWN INVESTMENT NOT GOOD
ALL THE SALONS IN TENNESSE GOT RID OF EM AND STILL LOST THEIR******

House of Tan 02-04-2006 10:34 AM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
OK, I can't stand it any longer.

First things first, I am a rep for RAI, but this is not SPAM, just facts!

I own a salon that offers Lumiere and have one of the first 5 units placed in America. So... Long story short I was a customer of RAI long before I started managing a territory for them.

1.) Tan Talker

You talk a mean game, but say nothing relevant. Either you are using an IPL (laser) device or you are blowing smoke.

3 LED devices do work they are:
Ominlux (lumiere's, medical counter part) $42k
Lumiere $30k
Gentle Waves (another Medical only device) 45k

Lumiere does work, and you can drive your ***** *** up to my salon and talk to any one of my 332 satisfied customers!

Want to talk about ROI do ya... how’s $60,000.00 in sales in the first 12 months and the last three have all been over $9,000.00 with Jan. finishing up at $12,000.00 (Again, feel free to come to my salon, you can look at my books if you wish.)

"This device is a non medical machine. It is a product driven device, which means the products are actually working on the skin to achieve results."
TOTAL BS and you know it. We have used the light on clients without product and had great results.

"Our Doctor is a Dermatologist/Internist who researched LED therapy and equipment"
So he know more than the "father" of PAT, Dr. Colin Whitehurst? Who left the Paterson Cancer Institute in the UK for form PTL; the maker of Omnilux and Lumiere. The only company in the world to have documentation that has been medically evaluated and peer reviewed. I have meet many derms, some are up to date and some are not.

"Unless you are a licensed skincare facility or medically supervised facility carefully consider bringing in devices that make medical claims"
We have NEVER made any medical claims, we don't even refer to Acne as "acne", we say "Problematic skin"

You need to check your facts before speaking.

2) absolutestyle

Are you telling me that you have got no game? I too was promised national advertising. Instead of whining about it I did something...It's called local marketing and brand building, and it worked. Ray and Tony did not make a false promise; they seriously thought that the national media would pick the story up. Well, s*** happens

At least Tan Talker had some validity to their point; a Doctor does give a degree of assurance. This is why nothing has been pick up yet on a national scale; RAI is working on that.



This post was MODERATED because it did not meet our standards.
The reason given was "direct insult". See FAQ for more info.


To anyone from RAI, sorry for lashing out, I bit my tongue as long as I could...However as a Lumiere owner I am getting upset that people like this give Lumiere a bad name.

BTW. I have ALWAYS offered free help to those who want it concerning Lumiere. Funny thing is...no one has ever taken me up on the offer. I guess it is easier to throw in the towel than blaze a new trail.

"It is always the first pioneers that take the most arrows in the ***, but they reach the gold first"

Tan Talker 02-04-2006 04:16 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
HOT, please understand these are just opinions, some based on research and some based on experience. Some are valid, some may not be. Let’s face it anyone can make claims, and anyone can contradict those claims. That is how the system works. Let’s face it neither one of us holds a medical nor photo chemistry degree, at least not me. It is all marketing.

I am not really talking to participate in any game, but what I say must hold some relevance or you wouldn’t be accusing me of blowing smoke. I believe I said we have a medical grade LED device; yes it is an Intense Pulsed Light device, but not a laser. Whether you call it LED intense pulsed light or LED photo modulation the claims and basic operation are the same. Ours has to touch the face to do the job.

To say that only 3 LED devices work and only those that are associated with one company shows your lack of research. Unless you are a distributor for them. Independently tested by whom and to what actual results?

My happy *** is too busy to drive anywhere but service calls right now, but I do know that everyone’s skin is not the same. Results will vary and even our medical device makes no guarantees as to degree of success. I am not saying your customers aren’t satisfied, that is great if they are.

Could ya just save us all some time and post your figures so we don’t have to drive? It’s your blackboard my friend you can write anything you want on it.
From your website: Very nice one indeed.

91% Overall dramatic improvement in the appearance of skin
  • 72% Skin feels dramatically smoother
  • 60% Dramatic reduction in fine lines and wrinkles
  • 57% Skin feels dramatically softer
  • 55% Skin feels dramatically firmer
Depending on your definition of the word dramatic in relation to expectations only a 60% find a ‘dramatic’ reduction in fine lines and wrinkles, which is a visible check, the rest is just ‘feeling’ with only 55 to 57% ‘feeling’ softer and firmer. These results are taken from use of products with the light therapy so how much does the non medical light do and how much does the product cause these ‘feelings’

All natural,( physicial) grade, photoceuticals and nutraceuticals ensure the skin is receiving the necessary vitamin and nutrient building blocks needed to produce the collagen and elastin at the rate an individuals skin is attempting when
stimulated by the light energy.


This statement seems to indicate that the products are needed to ‘ensure’ the skin is receiving the necessary building blocks needed to produce the necessary collagen and elastin at some rate of attempting something when stimulated by the light energy. A bit confusing, but the point is the results are driven by the product. In other words the products provide the vitamins and nutrients ‘needed’ to produce the collagen and elastin at that rate thing, which doesn’t sound very scientific to me. There is a lot of BS in any marketing campaign as we all know.


Quote:

"Our Doctor is a Dermatologist/Internist who researched LED therapy and equipment"
So he know more than the "father" of PAT, Dr. Colin Whitehurst? Who left the Paterson Cancer Institute in the UK for form PTL; the maker of Omnilux and Lumiere. The only company in the world to have documentation that has been medically evaluated and peer reviewed. I have meet many derms, some are up to date and some are not.


As I mentioned before he did extensive research, he spends thousands a year on his on continuing education, and I don’t know many outside of a limited circle who might know Dr. Whitehurst or The Paterson Cancer Institute in the UK for that matter. Can you document that they are the only company in the world to have the documentation you speak of and who the peers where who did the evaluations and could you post the results of said review please? Our doctor is very up to date in the anti-aging field and is working on his own products soon. Don’t some doctors do that, leave their field for the business of selling machines and products? I bet you have never heard of Dr. Peter Wolff either, the preeminent light wave engineer from Germany, but I digress.

[quote]"Unless you are a licensed skincare facility or medically supervised facility carefully consider bringing in devices that make medical claims"
We have NEVER made any medical claims, we don't even refer to Acne as "acne", we say "Problematic skin"[quote]


Obviously, I wasn’t directing any of this at you personally. I have never met you and did not know you had this machine until you responded, don’t take it personally, and it is just my opinion to which I am entitled.

[quote]You need to check your facts before speaking.[quote]


I did!!

Glad to hear you are making so much money anyways, that is what we are all here for and I hope you don’t take all of this personally. I don’t get angry when a prospect buys another brand of bed after I have done my pitch. Everybody has different perspectives and I was just voicing mine. We did look at the luminere device and it was just not for us.

House of Tan 02-04-2006 07:56 PM

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Very articulate reply Tan Talker, at least I am in disagreement with someone who actually does know a bit or two about Light therapy.

I disagree with you on some points and I stand firm to the reply in my first post.

Both sides have spoke, I am satisfied

mr belvedere 02-04-2006 08:07 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
Tom, use your influence and get the national media campaign that was promised rolling. This is, IMO, a home run, alternative revenue source system for tanning salon owners. But until the consumer base sees it, it will continue to be a "long shot" for salon owners, and continue to be the target of scrutiny and ridicule.

clubtan1 02-04-2006 08:14 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
HOT - no direct insults please. You are welcome to your opinions without insulting individuals.

TJ 02-04-2006 09:42 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
Well.......I started this thread and I'm glad to see some response to it. I am just a salon owner who has been in the tanning business for over 9 years and my wife has been in the skin care business much longer. All I'm saying is that I was led to believe by an RAI rep that the national advertising was in place and if I got in on the ground floor, I would have a devise that would eliminate my slow season in my tanning business. That was the selling point. I was never told that I would have to spend the biggest part of my time promoting and selling the thing. I have three salons and with this business being as slow as it has been for the last few years, I have to spend much more of my time running the salons than I used to. I'm not in a position to invest all of my time and money in to lumiere. If I had been told that I would need to do that, I wouldn't have bought the machine. I am *******and moaning because I was mislesd. S*** does happen but I feel that the the people who created the **** should do something to help the people who have gotten themselves into financial problems over this divice. I'm not alone here. I personaly know another owner of the divice who feels the same way I do. We know what we were told and we know what we got from RAI after we signed the papers. In the beginning, the company was all about helping tanning salons eliminate the slow season. But now I feel the company has become all about selling the machine. Oh yeah, that brings another point of interest to mind. Iwas also told that RAI would never sell to Franchises. Well, guess what? I heard that Planet Beach bought 30 units at the Las Vegas Tanning show Last summer. Guess what? I have a Planet Beach right up the street from me.

how’s $60,000.00 in sales in the first 12 months and the last three have all been over $9,000.00 with Jan. finishing up at $12,000.00 (Again, feel free to come to my salon, you can look at my books if you wish.

That sounds great. Although I'm way to busy to come to your salon, maybe you can tell us a few things.

1- Where are you located?
2- What kind of a salon are we taling about?
(are you a tanning salon elimitating your slow season
or a stand alone store front)
3- How much money are you spending on advertising?
4- How much time are you spending promoting lumiere?
5- What are you netting after expenses?
6- As a rep.........what did you pay for the units
7- Are you still in the tanning business?

I only wish we could hear some success stories from regular tanning salon owners in small town USA who have eliminated their slow seasons and still operate a tanning salon.

mikeytan 02-05-2006 09:28 AM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
I feel for those salon owners that purchased the Lumiere device expecting to make great returns. I believe it is a great add on in the right market and an established salon that has the income to invest in advertising can make it work. We were very interested in placing this device but were realistic in what it would take to bring customers into our salon and use it. We knew we just didn't have the $30,000 for the machine and an additional $30,000 for advertising.

I think House of Tan has the perfect market for this unit and the right set up. Although I believe he is spending a good deal of time and money to market this.

Tan Talker 02-05-2006 10:21 AM

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Hot, No offense taken from me. TJ brought up a good point, the PB across the street from us just got the Lumiere and we are in a small town with a very saturated tanning industry and a very saturated skin care industry also.

With all of this competion for tanners, who are a very limited % of the population and now another skin care alternative mixed in with the skin care only franchises in our area you have to fight for every customer and it cuts into everyone's purse strings.

I guess that is the American way of capitalism though, but eventually someone's not going to make it. Nice debate though. The original topic was making money and HOT is, some aren't and everyone else has to do the research based on their specific demographics and hope for the best.

Success to all,
Jim

House of Tan 02-08-2006 10:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJ

1- Where are you located? Midwest, Indiana
2- What kind of a salon are we taling about? Spray tanning/Lumiere
(are you a tanning salon elimitating your slow season Original concept was a stand alone, but we added Spray Tanning to up our traffic
or a stand alone store front)
3- How much money are you spending on advertising? Right now, 2k/mo.
4- How much time are you spending promoting lumiere? All day baby, it's my business, I want to see it work (I don't waste time with things like T.V.)
5- What are you netting after expenses? Nerver enough, but by the end of this year we should be netting over 6k per month, I took a loss the first year.
6- As a rep.........what did you pay for the units I was not a rep when I bought my first unit, even now I still must pay full price
7- Are you still in the tanning business? No Way, shrinking market, devalued product, ECT, ECT. I do still consulting work for 5 clients.

on #3 we always get a positive return on our advertising investments.
on #7 we can make more $ with less work selling and promoting Lumiere
on #2 if I had an upper-end tanning salon with foot traffic of 200+people a day I could be doing over 30k a month in Lumiere. [Off the top of my head, I can think of over 10 salons (chains, franchises, or singles) that are doing great (some better than I)
on #1 the mid west is not the best market for Lumiere right now, but I do fine.

Some salons are making a killing with Lumiere some are not. If you are like me and have seen the tanning market shrink like crazy since '98-'99 and want to go off in another direction or just add another revenue source (AND HAVE THE TIME AND RESOURCES TO DEDICATE TO IT), Lumiere can be very good to your bottom line.

Remember I can support an entire salon on one machine, can that be done with a tanning bed.

CLUBTAN1 - Sorry.

Mr. B - I have tried.

Best of luck to everyone no matter what direction you go.

I never want to see anyone fail.

“It took a few capitalist to show the communist how the shrink the middle class.”

TJ 02-08-2006 05:33 PM

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[Off the top of my head, I can think of over 10 salons (chains, franchises, or singles) that are doing great (some better than I)

That's great. Are any of them in the mid west?

the mid west is not the best market for Lumiere right now, but I do fine.

Well then why did RAI continue to sell lumiere machines to salons in the mid west as their savior to a three year slump in the industry. As a way to ELIMINATE YOUR SLOW SEASON!!!!!!. That was their sales pitch.

Ray Mead told me that I " had expressed discontent regarding promised national advertising campaigns for efforts in media relations" BULL CRAP !!!! I didn't misunderstand anything. I was lied to. My list of unhappy purchasers is growing and I think Raymond Anthony International needs to help make things right with them. We were all told that the campaign was already in motion and that by getting in on the ground floor, we would be the ones who would profit the most from this $30,000 pruchase. I don't have investors behind me and I'm not independantly wealthy. A company with this much faith in their divice should have test marketed in all areas of the country and sold where it would be an asset to a business instead of a liability.

All I wanted from this thread was to hear from some salon owners (in areas other than LA, Las Vegas and Miami ) that were making money with lumiere in the setting that it was sold to them under. Not an entirely different business.

A tanning salon ad on that would eliminate there slow season.

Well, so far I haven't heard from anyone.

House of Tan 02-08-2006 06:21 PM

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"All I wanted from this thread was to hear from some salon owners (in areas other than LA, Las Vegas and Miami ) that were making money with lumiere in the setting that it was sold to them under. Not an entirely different business."

1.) A salon in Branson MO. is doing great, btw Branson has a population of like 6,050 people. If they can make it anyone can. I sold the device and trained them, their staff was attentive and asked many questions; now they are doing good with Lumiere.

What is the population of your town?

2.) Dekalb, IL - Another salon doing good

There are more than just 10 in the midwest that are doing good. I only know PERSONALY (not hearsay) of ten that are kickin butt. I am just one rep of several for the United States.

"an asset to a business instead of a liability."
Well then make it an asset, or do you have to have someone do it for you?


I am tring to be nice (clubtan1).


"the mid west is not the best market for Lumiere right now, but I do fine.

Well then why did RAI continue to sell lumiere machines to salons in the mid west as their savior to a three year slump in the industry. As a way to ELIMINATE YOUR SLOW SEASON!!!!!!. That was their sales pitch."

"not the best" does not mean "not a good"

TJ 02-08-2006 10:21 PM

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A salon in Branson MO. is doing great

Dekalb, IL - Another salon doing good

Could I please have their contact information? I'd like to talk to them personally.

What is the population of your town?

Way more than 6,050. That's why I'd like to talk to them.

Well then make it an asset, or do you have to have someone do it for you?

I don't have to have someone else do it for me. I just need the help that I was promised before I signed the dotted line. I had a lot of encouragement and motivational help when I had an area rep. Since the rep that sold me the machine isn't a rep any more, I don't hear from anyone. The new area rep in Ft. Wayne called me once after I complained to the home office and I haven't heard from him since. I think that might have been you. :-)

I'm not trying to be mean, and I'm sorry you are having to try to be nice. It's too bad that you have to try and defend a company that made a lot of false promises to a lot of people. I'm sure you have all the support anyone could ask for since you have purchased so many machines from them. That's what they are all about now. Selling the machines. I'm not alone here. I thought maybe I had a misunderstanding for a while. I've come to find out in the last couple of weeks that I have a lot of company.

By the way. How can you spend all of your time promoting your business when you are a Lumiere Rep for RAI? The other rep was on the road all the time trying to sell more epuipment and taking care of her existing clients. Just wondering.

Hey Mike, I'm sure lumiere will do as much for her as any other procedure. The thing really does work. I've never denied that. If you have her contact information, let me know. I need to sell a package. I have another payment coming up.







House of Tan 02-09-2006 09:39 AM

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Are you in Michigan?
Was your Rep. Jenny?

She was my rep also, and a good one, no doubt there.

I remember calling you, but you are not actually in my territory (I cover Indiana and ILL.)

I send about 4 hours a day as a rep, and about 5 hours a day on my store, the other 3-4 hours of my work day are spent on my other business.

I wanted to work with you, but you fall under another rep. However, I have no problem working with you over the phone if you wish.

Sorry for the harshness, I just get very mad when salon owners give up on this.

Remember I TOO WAS PROMISED national advertising and PR. Yea, it does suck that we don't have it yet, but we (you, I, ohter) salons can make it happen on our own in our respective market.

Belive me, I have NEVER made any promisses of national PR when selling a device.

My appologies for my rude response. PM me with your phone # and I can get you the contact info for these other salons (after I get their permission)

And yes...I am in Fort Wayne IN (POP. of 220,000)

TJ 02-10-2006 06:48 AM

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Yes, that's me. Who is the rep in Michigan? I'm glad you are doing well with this. It just seems like I should have gotten a response from at least one person besides an RAI rep who is doing well. :-)

House of Tan 02-10-2006 07:42 AM

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Those that are doing well are not talking for a reason. Trust me, I wish they would talk.

Please PM me and I will send you a link to private forum I started to discuss ideas concerning Lumiere. It has help a few out. It is by inventation only, so I need your E-mail addy. I can also send you names and numbers of other salon owners w/Lumiere as well.

Your Rep. is Al, but I have not heard him on the weekly sales call(s) in a long time; maybe he is not with us anymore???

Remember, I was an owner LONG before I was a rep. I rep for RAI because, I love Lumiere and the results that it produces. Call Corporate and ask if Al still works for RAI and if he does not, maybe you can request that I become your rep.

clubtan1 02-11-2006 11:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TJ
Just wondereing if anyone out there was making money with the Lumiere machine. I hear they are doing great on the west coast, in Las Vegas and in Miami. How about anywhere else???

Good point TJ. There seems to be only pockets of success around the country.

House of Tan 02-11-2006 12:37 PM

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It all depends on the staff/management

The salon I set up in Dekalb, IL just called me today with a question, and during our talk she said things are going great, and she is very happy with her purchase.

She said that I can give her name and number out, but I am not going to just post it up (out of respect to her). TJ - If you would like to talk to her please PM me.

The salon in little ole' Branson is doing very well also.

MATT A 02-11-2006 01:00 PM

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House of Tan PM me the one in Dekalb.

irene 02-11-2006 08:43 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
Lumiere definitely works.. But without the promised marketing that " is equal to Mystic Tan" Lumiere will continue to be a drain rather than an asset.
Lumiere/ RAI made big marketing promises and as not followed through AT ALL.
With the marketing and Free sessions to try it out and commissions on the sale,
I am struggling to break even. We all know what advertising costs. I love the product.. 100% dissapointed in RAI. I hate compalints without a suggested compromise. So here's a few ideas....
Until RAI comes out with the "MYSTIC" level of marketiung as promised..
RAI needs to make consessions to the salon owners that believed in them and gave them 30K based on their sales pitch.


RAI offered advertising co-op in the first year. I think this should be extended until one year after they meet their level of marketing promises.
RAI offered lotion incentives the first year, this should also be extended.

Any thoughts>>>> Lets hear from RAI

clubtan1 02-11-2006 08:48 PM

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Thanks irene. HOT, maybe you should get RAI to speak here in this forum. Might help.

irene 02-11-2006 09:19 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
Maybe Tony/RAI can come out and play....

House of Tan 02-12-2006 12:40 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
I don't have that kind of power (to summon them).

I will say that ever since I have been a rep for RAI, we have always been told to not promise any kind of PR (I came on right after the Vegas show).

The only other thing I know on the matter of national PR is that they have gone through at least 3 PR frims tring to get this out in the media.

The salons that I have setup have never expected any national advertising and they are doing good, maybe there is something to that??? (perception)

Or maybe it is because I have flat out not sold a device to a salon that I know is not going to make it. I was worried about the one in Branson MO. because of the size of that little town, but they have an older, more professional staff so that makes up for the lack of foot traffic.

Once again:

Keeping positive
Great staff
Great management
Proper advertising
submit all the local PR you can
KEEP POSITIVE, do you think your staff will be selling a lot of packages when the owner is so negative toward it. BTW, I am not directing this to you irene

I guess the question is: If you bought a device that really does work good for facial rejuvination and since facial rejuvination is one of the biggest $$$ makers in the United States right now. Do you really have to have national PR?

Not excussing anyone, but seriously, take the ball and run with it. Hopefully this new PR firm they just brought on will get things going in the right direction.

I'm in the same boat people, I am a salon owner as well (and I do not get any special treatment AT ALL). On the second Lumiere I purchased I had to pay another 30K. But, I needed it because I am busy; without national PR, and I am in the mid-west.

I really do wish everyone well with Lumiere, and I want to help. How many times have I posted that I am willing help anyone if you just call or PM me??? No takers???

mr belvedere 02-12-2006 07:51 PM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
I recall "We are going to do what Mystic Tan did. We have hired the same firm." Spray tanning didn't take off until the general public learned of it, through national media campaigns. Mystic Tan the company didn't take off until the national media campaign started to hit, and consumers were calling and beating down the doors of salons to find the booths. I'm not arguing with your assertion that salons have to work it in their salons, but statements and "promises" of marketing plans were made by RAI (As early as Orlando). -Belvy

malibutan2 02-13-2006 04:21 AM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
Hi I just bought a tanning salon with a lumiere machine and would like to know how to promote it. I have been trained by the rep, as have my staff, but what is the best way to market this service? If you have any ads or coupons, yellow page ads, that I could take a look at I would greatly appreciate it. My fax number is 615-468-0807. I just need to get some ideas and heard this was the place to get them. Thanks so much

House of Tan 02-13-2006 08:28 AM

Re: Lumiere (Anyone making money?)
 
Malibu tan; PM me and I will send you a link to my site that has some good marketing info on it.

"I'm not arguing with your assertion that salons have to work it in their salons, but statements and "promises" of marketing plans were made by RAI (As early as Orlando). -Belvy"

Not side steping that, it is something that I as a rep have no authority to talk about, and know little about what was said back then. I am not RAI, just an independent rep. for them.

I am just saying that the device does work and if you work at it you can make some good $ with out the help of corporate.


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