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Old 01-19-2006, 01:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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That link doesn't take me anywere.
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packages are from $299 to $499 including a supply of products to be used along with the light. Much cheaper than microdermibrasion and chemical peals. The machine cost over $30,000 . It has been approved by the FDA as a non medical facial rejuvinating divice. Anyone can provide this service in any business. I only hope I have more business with it this year than I had last year

This device is a non medical machine. It is a product driven device, which means the products are actually working on the skin to achieve results.


An FDA approval letter indicates that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved a product for commercial distribution. The letter specifies conditions of approval for the sale, distribution, and use of the product. FDA indications are based on safety and efficacy data used to approve a device for broad distribution.


Our studio is a medically supervised facility. Our Doctor is a Dermatologist/Internist who researched LED therapy and equipment for us including the above mentioned device, and we bought a Medical facial rejuvenation LED machine for about 1/3 the cost of the above mentioned machine.

Our machine must be administered by an aesthetician and touch the face for the prescribed amount of time over a series of applications for any results to be seen. Women and men who are used to having facials and skin care procedures prefer feeling the human touch and enjoy the relaxing massage that is associated with it and when used in conjunction with peels and Microdermabrasion the results are excellent. These procedures are not more expensive than just using a LED machine and some products.

The ROI on our medical grade machine, even with the aesthetician's pay is much greater and the machine will pay for itself much more quickly than some LED machines on the market. FDA approval doesn’t mean it is a guarantee that the product will live up to its claims.


Return on investment of any machine depends on cost of the unit added to the cost of doing business vs. sales of service or product. How many services or products must you sell to recoup your investment before you start making a profit? And if any business can use the same device as you what would keep your neighboring nail or hair salon from having the same machine and undercutting your price to get your business? Is there a non-compete clause in your agreement?

Unless you are a licensed skincare facility or medically supervised facility carefully consider bringing in devices that make medical claims, but are not medical devices. Is the promised revenue going to pay for the investment and eventually make a profit and how soon? Otherwise stick to tanning and tanning related products.


Just my humble and unsolicited observation and opinion.
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Old 01-23-2006, 03:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Our salon is a licensed skincare facility. My wife is a licensed Esthetician and we still can't seem to spark the interest to get people to spend this kind of money for treatments, although they will pay $60 for a facial and not think a thing about it. I have never seen any advertisements for Microdermabrasion or peels in our area that gave you 6 sessions with a supply of topical products for $299 or 12 sessions for $499, so I guess these procedures are much cheaper in your area. I also think the units need to be comparded as far as the led light output. The Lumière Photo-Thèrapie device uses an array of carefully arranged LED bulbs to deliver pure, uniform, narrowband red light at precisely 633 nanometers. From what I understand, the difference in Lumiere and hand held devices is that the hand held divices can not hold a precise wave lenth. All I know is that it does work. I had noticable results and so did my wife. But yes, I still wish I had bought a High Pressure bed instead.
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STAY AWAY FROM THIS LUMIERE
THE MACHINE DOES WORK ,BUT UNTIL RAI DOES NATIONAL ADVERTISING YOU WON'T MAKE ANY MONEY 30,00.00 WILL MAKE YOUR INVESTMENT AN UP/SIDE DOWN INVESTMENT NOT GOOD
ALL THE SALONS IN TENNESSE GOT RID OF EM AND STILL LOST THEIR******
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OK, I can't stand it any longer.

First things first, I am a rep for RAI, but this is not SPAM, just facts!

I own a salon that offers Lumiere and have one of the first 5 units placed in America. So... Long story short I was a customer of RAI long before I started managing a territory for them.

1.) Tan Talker

You talk a mean game, but say nothing relevant. Either you are using an IPL (laser) device or you are blowing smoke.

3 LED devices do work they are:
Ominlux (lumiere's, medical counter part) $42k
Lumiere $30k
Gentle Waves (another Medical only device) 45k

Lumiere does work, and you can drive your ***** *** up to my salon and talk to any one of my 332 satisfied customers!

Want to talk about ROI do ya... how’s $60,000.00 in sales in the first 12 months and the last three have all been over $9,000.00 with Jan. finishing up at $12,000.00 (Again, feel free to come to my salon, you can look at my books if you wish.)

"This device is a non medical machine. It is a product driven device, which means the products are actually working on the skin to achieve results."
TOTAL BS and you know it. We have used the light on clients without product and had great results.

"Our Doctor is a Dermatologist/Internist who researched LED therapy and equipment"
So he know more than the "father" of PAT, Dr. Colin Whitehurst? Who left the Paterson Cancer Institute in the UK for form PTL; the maker of Omnilux and Lumiere. The only company in the world to have documentation that has been medically evaluated and peer reviewed. I have meet many derms, some are up to date and some are not.

"Unless you are a licensed skincare facility or medically supervised facility carefully consider bringing in devices that make medical claims"
We have NEVER made any medical claims, we don't even refer to Acne as "acne", we say "Problematic skin"

You need to check your facts before speaking.

2) absolutestyle

Are you telling me that you have got no game? I too was promised national advertising. Instead of whining about it I did something...It's called local marketing and brand building, and it worked. Ray and Tony did not make a false promise; they seriously thought that the national media would pick the story up. Well, s*** happens

At least Tan Talker had some validity to their point; a Doctor does give a degree of assurance. This is why nothing has been pick up yet on a national scale; RAI is working on that.



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To anyone from RAI, sorry for lashing out, I bit my tongue as long as I could...However as a Lumiere owner I am getting upset that people like this give Lumiere a bad name.

BTW. I have ALWAYS offered free help to those who want it concerning Lumiere. Funny thing is...no one has ever taken me up on the offer. I guess it is easier to throw in the towel than blaze a new trail.

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HOT, please understand these are just opinions, some based on research and some based on experience. Some are valid, some may not be. Let’s face it anyone can make claims, and anyone can contradict those claims. That is how the system works. Let’s face it neither one of us holds a medical nor photo chemistry degree, at least not me. It is all marketing.

I am not really talking to participate in any game, but what I say must hold some relevance or you wouldn’t be accusing me of blowing smoke. I believe I said we have a medical grade LED device; yes it is an Intense Pulsed Light device, but not a laser. Whether you call it LED intense pulsed light or LED photo modulation the claims and basic operation are the same. Ours has to touch the face to do the job.

To say that only 3 LED devices work and only those that are associated with one company shows your lack of research. Unless you are a distributor for them. Independently tested by whom and to what actual results?

My happy *** is too busy to drive anywhere but service calls right now, but I do know that everyone’s skin is not the same. Results will vary and even our medical device makes no guarantees as to degree of success. I am not saying your customers aren’t satisfied, that is great if they are.

Could ya just save us all some time and post your figures so we don’t have to drive? It’s your blackboard my friend you can write anything you want on it.
From your website: Very nice one indeed.

91% Overall dramatic improvement in the appearance of skin
  • 72% Skin feels dramatically smoother
  • 60% Dramatic reduction in fine lines and wrinkles
  • 57% Skin feels dramatically softer
  • 55% Skin feels dramatically firmer
Depending on your definition of the word dramatic in relation to expectations only a 60% find a ‘dramatic’ reduction in fine lines and wrinkles, which is a visible check, the rest is just ‘feeling’ with only 55 to 57% ‘feeling’ softer and firmer. These results are taken from use of products with the light therapy so how much does the non medical light do and how much does the product cause these ‘feelings’

All natural,( physicial) grade, photoceuticals and nutraceuticals ensure the skin is receiving the necessary vitamin and nutrient building blocks needed to produce the collagen and elastin at the rate an individuals skin is attempting when
stimulated by the light energy.


This statement seems to indicate that the products are needed to ‘ensure’ the skin is receiving the necessary building blocks needed to produce the necessary collagen and elastin at some rate of attempting something when stimulated by the light energy. A bit confusing, but the point is the results are driven by the product. In other words the products provide the vitamins and nutrients ‘needed’ to produce the collagen and elastin at that rate thing, which doesn’t sound very scientific to me. There is a lot of BS in any marketing campaign as we all know.


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"Our Doctor is a Dermatologist/Internist who researched LED therapy and equipment"
So he know more than the "father" of PAT, Dr. Colin Whitehurst? Who left the Paterson Cancer Institute in the UK for form PTL; the maker of Omnilux and Lumiere. The only company in the world to have documentation that has been medically evaluated and peer reviewed. I have meet many derms, some are up to date and some are not.


As I mentioned before he did extensive research, he spends thousands a year on his on continuing education, and I don’t know many outside of a limited circle who might know Dr. Whitehurst or The Paterson Cancer Institute in the UK for that matter. Can you document that they are the only company in the world to have the documentation you speak of and who the peers where who did the evaluations and could you post the results of said review please? Our doctor is very up to date in the anti-aging field and is working on his own products soon. Don’t some doctors do that, leave their field for the business of selling machines and products? I bet you have never heard of Dr. Peter Wolff either, the preeminent light wave engineer from Germany, but I digress.

[quote]"Unless you are a licensed skincare facility or medically supervised facility carefully consider bringing in devices that make medical claims"
We have NEVER made any medical claims, we don't even refer to Acne as "acne", we say "Problematic skin"[quote]


Obviously, I wasn’t directing any of this at you personally. I have never met you and did not know you had this machine until you responded, don’t take it personally, and it is just my opinion to which I am entitled.

[quote]You need to check your facts before speaking.[quote]


I did!!

Glad to hear you are making so much money anyways, that is what we are all here for and I hope you don’t take all of this personally. I don’t get angry when a prospect buys another brand of bed after I have done my pitch. Everybody has different perspectives and I was just voicing mine. We did look at the luminere device and it was just not for us.
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Very articulate reply Tan Talker, at least I am in disagreement with someone who actually does know a bit or two about Light therapy.

I disagree with you on some points and I stand firm to the reply in my first post.

Both sides have spoke, I am satisfied
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Tom, use your influence and get the national media campaign that was promised rolling. This is, IMO, a home run, alternative revenue source system for tanning salon owners. But until the consumer base sees it, it will continue to be a "long shot" for salon owners, and continue to be the target of scrutiny and ridicule.
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HOT - no direct insults please. You are welcome to your opinions without insulting individuals.
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