05-24-2002, 12:04 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 23 | I had a client that read my sign concern ing banned lotions...(Banana boat,LA EXPESS, Eurocrap..etc..) She told me she heard that appling lotion, deoderants, etc... that had mineral oil in it is really bad for you. In other words. she heard that the mineral oil actually draws the natural minerals that we have in out thru skin. Essentially stripping our bodies of our own minerals.... IS THIS TRUE???? I would love to be able to add that to the list of reason why you can not use that crap in my beds! mj MJ |
05-26-2002, 06:31 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 24 | Mineral oil is very thick.. it will leave an awful film on your acrylics and it isn't helping the clients moisture level in their skin.. it leaves a thick coating on the skin you really want a lotion to penetrate the skin not just lay on the surface. Products that leave a coating on the skin are not going to help a person get a beautiful tan. And Chipp is right.. it is awful on the machines. |
05-27-2002, 11:14 PM | #4 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 23 | Maybe I wasn't clear..lol I know this and Lotions with Mineral oils are banned from my salon for use. I posted this to find out if it is true... what a customer who is read my sign posted about banned lotions. She said,"Using products with mineral oil in them (including) draws the minerals and nutrients out of our skin and leave our skin defenseless" If this is true then I would love to post that as yet another reason to explain to my clients why I do not allow it. Other than my acrylics... MJ |
05-28-2002, 08:21 AM | #5 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 23 | Mj, From the sounds of it, this type of information, is very appealing to add to a “Reasons why these lotions are banned in our salon list”, however, it really is not correct. Quote: On 2002-05-27 23:14, MJ wrote: She said, "Using products with mineral oil in them (including) draws the minerals and nutrients out of our skin and leave our skin defenseless" MJ By it’s nature, mineral oil is relatively inert. (or un-reactive) It is formulated in products for the purpose of forming a lipid or oil film on surface to which it was is applied. I have never heard, nor would I have guessed, that the mineral oil would draw nutrients or minerals from the skin. That being said, there are numerous reasons left to keep products formulated with mineral oil on the “Reasons why these lotions are banned in our salon list.” (Not listed in order of importance, listed in order as I could type them. List may not be all-inclusive, but Tan-Cun is, so call and make your reservations now!) 1) Mineral Oil is one of the most commercially available and inexpensive filler oils, companies that extensively, or exclusively use mineral oil are most likely looking more at their bottom line, then the bottom line quality of your skin. 2) Mineral Oil, produces a film on the skin that inhibits the efficiency of humectants to deliver moisture to the skin. Tanning is a drying process to the skin, products high in mineral oil or petrolatum will give the skin a moisturized feeling, however, are not allowing the skin to accept moisture. 3) Damages the porous acrylics of tanning beds. 4) Increases the difficulty of the bed to be cleaned. This a few of the reasons, and I am sure there are more. _________________ Eric T. Dann Formulated Solutions 1776 11th Ave North Saint Petersburg, FL 33713 etdann@formulatedsolutions.com Tanning Division: Technique Laboratories[ This Message was edited by: Formulated Solutions on 2002-05-28 08:22 ] |
05-28-2002, 09:14 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 23 | Eric, as usual, thank you for your informative reply. Along the same lines, but in somewhat different directions, two questions: Aren't parabens a form of wax, and can they prohibit tanning (and good bed cleaning) also? Question 2: I have seen a few ingredient lists with 4,5, sometimes 6 different nut oils. How do these compare with mineral oil? I assume the results would be the same, but needed confirmation on my doubts of their tanning/moisturizing ability (and leaving a film on the acrylic). |
05-29-2002, 12:12 PM | #9 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 23 | Tamar, Good questions. The parabens that you find in lotions, creams and gels are a derivative of 4-Hydroxybenzoic acid. You may or may not be thinking or confusing “Paraffin’s” which are waxes. You may recognize the (benzoic acid), a common preservative found in food and beverage products. In tanning product formulation the parabens, (methyl, propyl, dodecyl, hexyl, the list goes on) are used for the same purpose, to preserve the formulation. Usage levels are low, depending on the combinations used or the preservative packages selected are well under 0.5%. I can not speak for all of the nut oils, I am sure there are close to, if not more than a hundred floating around out there. However, speaking from experience, I tend to like uses of nut or several other naturally derived oils for a few factors; 1) Most, not all, nut oils tend to have a higher HLB value (Hydrophilic/ Lipophilic Balance) -Translation- (relative affinity to in water versus oil) thus they tend to require less emulsification, produce less of a film on the skin, and have a nicer cosmetic feel. 2) Nut oils are high in fatty acids, (linoleic, linolenic palmitic undecanic, to name a few) which excellent skin conditioning properties. When used in formulations correctly, you should not notice any appreciable difference in bed clean-up. Remember some usage of occlusive skin conditioners (oils) are really good for the skin and for the reduction of TEWLs Trans Epidermal Water LoSs. |
05-30-2002, 07:47 AM | #10 (permalink) |
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Rep Power: 25 | MJ, I am very interested in this list of lotions to ban & why. What does your sign say? What other lotions do you ban? I look for the mineral oil on these "outside" lotions, but what ingredients are in these that shouldn't be used. I don't want to tell my clients they can't use these & then can't explain why. Thanks! Ginger |
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