Originally Posted by tanfixr

You guys still muddle issues where it's not necessary.

1)Taxes - Obama is pro tax increases and redistribution of wealth. No debate there.
- Obama is not pro tax-increase for the sole sake of increasing taxes and supporting liberal, communistic government social and welfare programs. He is however not afraid to say the truth - that this country is in serious fiscal trouble and it is going to take a cash compress to stop the hemmoraging. Obama is NOT for "redistribution of wealth" as the so-called conservatives in the media would have you believe, and fear. Believe me, the "wealth" in this country will never be "redistributed". However, there are some folks (I'm using "folks" as a blanket reference to individuals and organizations in this case) that don't contribute to the national fiscal pie in a quantity commensurate with their "earnings". We have had a serious problem with cronieistic, elitist favoritism in government ever since The New Deal got things un****ed around here, and it's been the status quo ever since, regardless of the party in power, at every level of government. Obama promises a change, or long overdo departure from that.
ADVANTAGE: OBAMA

2)SCOTUS - if you want "honest" liberal judges with integrity, who are inclined to apply liberal views and European law to the Constitution, Obama has the advantage. If not, McCain has the advantage. No legitimate debate there.
- Au contraire, mon frair. Mucho realistico debato there! The Republicans like to talk a good game on this subject, but their full of toro caca. Basically, the Republicans say the support the Constitution, and the Ten Commandments, to the "letter". Right? What about the rights to life, "liberty", and property? Pro death penalty, freedom with limits, Imminent Domain ring any bells? Now, let's see if I can remember these correctly: thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not commit adultery, thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor ... (yep, you're right, had to Google'em!). The fact is, the Rublicans trounce these "sacred" dictates whenever it suits them. I don't think God gave Moses any instances or circumstances in which mortals were allowed to decide for themselves when it would be ok to kill, nail the neighbor's wife (or husband, depending on which Republican we're talking about), or lie about "intelligence reports" (it is afterall a "global" neighborhood now). My main problem with the Pachiderm Party is that they are a bunch of filthy "hypocrites" and opportunists. Funny, that's the same problem I have with the ******* Party! hehe Both men, Obama and McCain, had to choose a party that most nearly held the and supported the majority of their personal beliefs and ideas. Like Engfant said, I would I have voted for McCain 8 years ago if I'd had the chance - and Obama wasn't running against him! The point is, you can't just assume Obama is going to appoint men and women to the court that are going to ruin the American way of life and take away your precious guns or your right to speak out against government. My other point is that the Republicans are no example to follow or to hold up as righteous. Shoot, I'm totally discombobulated here. Doesn't congress have top approve Supreme nominations? Oh yeah, there's a majority in congress that would likely support President Obama's nominations.
ADVANTAGE: OBAMA

3) Pure politics - debatable
- Why does EVERYTHING have to be a debate with you?! hehe Lookit, in theory, opposing political beliefs and power balance each other out and everybody comes together and works it out for the good of the nation; sorta like economic theory. In reality, opposing centers of power stalemate and stalwart productivity, and they are the only ones that profit in the long run. (3 was what is better: one party in power or two opposing parties). Congress will do their work, and Obama will eneact or reject their work based on his OWN judgement - unwavered by political, lobbyist, or elitist pressure. Can't say the same for Senator McCain, though - he's going to end up owing "everyone" if he somehow manages to win the election.
ADVANTAGE: OBAMA

4) Leadership - nuanced perspective. Leadership is subjective, however, experience is not.
- Yes, I suppose I have to concede this one to you. I suppose there a few that feel that McCain inspires them about the future and believe that all of his years on the planet have imbibed hom with a level of "experience" unknown to most of the electorate. However, sir, "experience" is probably "the most subjective" thing on the planet! hehe Argue that one!!! All I can say here is that age does not constitute "wisdom". I'm not saying that Senator McCAin isn't "wise"; he has yet to demonstrate that to me, though. But then, I don't watch a lot of TV and I don't get to hang out at Cindy's house - ever. So ... What I do know is that McCain is a man of "privelege", pretty much since the day he was born, and it only got better when he got home from that terrible time he spent in captivity, divorced the ailing wife that stayed true to him all those years (as far as I know), and married his hot, connected, wealthy, electable wife. Poor Barak just worked his way to where he is now, fell in love with a beautiful woman and put up with her educated and willful ways all these years (the lucky SOB!), and only wants to try to help make America a place like it was again after most of our forefathers fought the "indefeatable" British juggernaught (Happy 4th, Americans!) that we without their courage and sacrifice would not have the rights and prosperity that we enjoy today to be freely debating this topic.
ADVANTAGE: OBAMA

5) Wartime... Duh, Obama is very anti-military establishment. No debate there.
- You're gonna have to throw up some pretty convincing proof to support this pile of crap! ****, the guy said, early on in the Dem primaries that he wouldn't hesitate to send our troops into sovereign nations without cooperation to hunt down our enemies! Told Iran to "cool it", or else - but let's talk before I essentially "get out the stick!". He hasn't uttered a word about force reduction - just pulling our targets - our people in other words, the **** out of an "unwinnable", and very costly venture n Iraq. Bring it with goods, Tanfixr. Besides, according to the current POTUS, the war has been over for a long time now. A "war" BTW, that was never declared by congress. "Oh, holy Constitution, where for art thou now?" "I art here, dear America, being anally violated by thy current electorath!" hehe
ADVANTAGE: OBAMA

6) 2nd Amendment. Uhhh, this has been settled. It's not really an Executive branch issue beyond support of Congressional action. On pure principle of supporting the Constitution though, advantage McCain. If you don't like the 2nd Amendment, advantage Obama.
- Uh, the gun thing again.
Vote for McCain: Advantage - any swinging Willie that wants to buy a piece, legally or not; essentially, criminals.

7) Liberal/ Conservative. Duh, Obama is rated by Liberal mags as the most Liberal Senator in the Senate, with an even more Liberal voting record than Kennedy. If you want to try the French experiment, advantage Obama. If not, advantage McCain.
- And just how are the French doing these days? You know, so many of us throw around these "labels" LIberal and Conservative today like they were "bad words". The truth is, the fat part of the bell curve that is the American Citizen is both! France is going through yet another Democratic Revolution as we speak - who do you suppose is to BLAME for that?! Change is Liberal by definition - wearing the same pair of underware is Conservative - which do you prefer? Fresh, or nasty?
ADVANTAGE: OBAMA

8) Big Government. Another Duh. If you want a push for more govenment social programs, advantage Obama, if not advantage McCain.
- Our government, and its "reach into the lives and liberty of Americans" has far overgrown anything the founders ever imagined for the nation! Do you honestly believe for a second that John McCain is going to do a ****in thing to reduce this?! Really? Ok.
ADVANTAGE: No matter who wins the office, government reigns supreme, still.

9) Healthcare - Emergency healthcare is always available to everyone, illegal or not. Drama isn't necessary in the debate. "FREE" healthcare is NOT a right - advantage McCain, unless you believe it is.
- You got me there. I was just so appalled by that video on the news that I had to throw it in. While it only speaks to our lack of humanity, I believe it is relevant to the Republican v. Democrat philosophy: "me v. us". And this particular issue is less about illegals and more the legals and our ridiculous healthcare system. ****, even the Swami of the Conservatives had to illegaly obtain the meds he needed to function. Whaqt does that say about this wreck? hehe
-ADVANTAGE: OBAMA
10) Experience - I don't even think Obama tries to argue this one. His argument is "youth vs. experience".
- There's no need for Obama to argue this! McCain doesn't have nearly his experience! Obama never crashed a plane, got captured, or condemned his own country and its global war mongering ways! Normally, I would just let this one slide because I sympathize with John and forgive him for doing what he had to do to survive even though it hurt the country that he today says he loves and wants to lead. Okay, maybe he got shot down the final time - probably just bad luck, I'm sure he did everything his training would allow to avoid it. And yeah, he was brutalized in prison, I have no doubt, and he did everything he could do to resist as was consistent with his training - and I have zero doubt that under the circumstances that I would have lasted nearly as long as he did before I cursed every on of you sons a *****es and flamed my government, my country, and our flag to save my arms from being broken! ****! I need these things to provide for my kids!!! **** yes I would have denounced every single one of you on camera if it meant getting home to those I love, and love me!!! I thank God I never had to endure what McCain endured, or my father, or yours did in Viet Nam. And it absolutely sickens me to read these God ****** stories every day of our troops being killed or wounded in Iraq for nothing, just like in Viet Nam! And if Obama holds to his promise to get us the **** out of there, then he has my vote. I really don't give a **** that he was never a POW!
- ADVANTAGE: AMERICANS IF YOU VOTE FOR OBAMA!

Originally Posted by unity

"Obama is all script and teleprompter."

Really? I think you are thinking of McCain.

Originally Posted by Ezliving_Jim

McCain can't read a teleprompter worth a crap.

Originally Posted by KnxTan

Why are the Democrats waiting until this election to make a "change"? They've had control of Congress since November '06.