How do you figure they don't want the help??? Also remember this is a you scratch my back I will scratch yours remeber Kuwait they gave us 400 Million in oil alone that doesn't count the cash after we were hit by Hurricane Katrina. Politics people politics, life is not always fair nor will it ever be.

hay im 29 and have no knowledge of those older wars and very little of this one just stating the way i see it. when i say they dont want help im sure some do but they are born and bred to hate us.i also dont think iraq has anything to scratch our back with! also never heard kuwait gave $$ after katrina thats new news 2 me

Okay here is some one that was there:2000 Dead: How Many Is Too Many?
By Mike Hoffman
When I left for the Middle East in February 2003 with a Marine artillery unit, I was told Iraq was in possession of weapons of mass destruction, had been assisting Al Qaeda, was partly responsible for 9/11 and was an imminent threat to the United States and Iraq’s neighbors.

We destroyed Iraq’s under-equipped and demoralized military – the imminent threat to our nation -- in a little over a month. Since the invasion, no weapons inspection team has found evidence of any weapons of mass destruction and the claims that Saddam Hussein was working with Al Qaeda have been shown to be nonsense. When I left Iraq for home in May 2003, after President Bush told us “Mission Accomplished,” 139 Americans had died.

After the invasion was over and the occupation began, Iraqis didn’t throw flowers and candy at our feet. Instead roadside bombs and ambushes awaited us down every street. The administration said we were about to turn a corner. We were told that once Saddam and his sons were captured or killed the insurgents would give up, demoralized by the loss of their leader; peace would reign. By the time Saddam was captured in December 2003, 463 Americans had died in Iraq.

The capture of Saddam had no effect, and daily attacks against American forces and Iraqi security forces continued. It was during this time that the bloody Shiite Rebellion occurred. This was some of the fiercest fighting yet in Iraq. Even with this rebellion happening, we were told there was still hope. Sovereignty would soon be handed over to the Iraqis and another corner would be turned. But we needed to stay and provide the Iraqis security until we could “officially” turn the country back over to them. This would empower the Iraqis and end the Insurgency. By then, June 2004, 958 had come home in boxes.

Most Iraqis didn’t seem to care they had sovereignty, since we still occupied their country. They were still without electricity and faced an average unemployment rate of 70%. Every time US soldiers walked outside the wire they were still taking their lives in their hands. Then, we were told, elections would fix this. The Iraqis would have their own government in place and begin drafting a constitution. This would demoralize the terrorists and end the fighting. On the day of the elections, January 30, 2005, the U.S. death toll was 1,537.

What’s wrong with this picture?

The first time we were told the war was over we had lost 139 American; now we have lost 2,000 American lives in Iraq. Time and time again we are told things are getting better, that we have “turned a corner.”

In the Viet Nam War we didn’t “turn corners;” instead policy makers talked about the “light at the end of the tunnel.” We know now that by 1968 President Johnson knew there was no light at the end of the tunnel; he knew his war was lost. The Pentagon Papers showed this; Robert McNamara admits it today. Over 22,000 American troops died in Viet Nam after 1968 in a war our leaders knew was hopeless and just piling up American and Asian bodies.

Again, there is no light at the end of the tunnel, and we’ve turned so many corners we’re going in circles. Our leaders know they can’t win this war, but, like Johnson and McNamara, they refuse to admit it to the American people. Meanwhile, our troops remain a huge provocative force in the region and each individual soldier a prized target. Failure to face this reality is exacerbating the current chaos in Iraq and preventing real regional diplomatic solutions.

So the question falls to ordinary Americans: How many more brave men and women are we willing to sacrifice before we force our leaders to bring the troops home? I pray that it does not take another 56,000 like it did in Viet Nam.


Mike Hoffman was a lance corporal in a Marine artillery unit during the invasion of Iraq. He is a member of Iraq Veterans Against The War.

To numnuts & bp, If mr president whose approvall rating is in the toilet had done his job,like find & kill bin ladden I wouldn't be so peeed! but he & his cronies(been reading the paper about Scooterlittle ones?)got us into war over lies ( when is that simple fact gonna sink into your pee pinkin brains) why do you think Scooter is gonna spend time in jail? They tried to deepsix someone who was critical about the lies they had cooked up.& he got caught lying to the grand jury. And I hope its the start of the complete meltdown of this whole administration.

As far as abortion goes ,isn't that between The woman & her Dr. And PLULEASE DON'T GIVE ME THAT CRAP OF HOW YOU ARE SO darn CONCERNED ABOUT THAT CHILD! HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU GONE TO A SINGLE MOTHER WHO DECIDED TO KEEP HER BABY AND OFFERED TO HELP,EITHER WITH BABY FOOD ,DIAPERS, WHATEVER..BUT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT THOSE LAZY PEOPLE ON WELFARE THAT ARE SUCKING US HONEST TAXPAYERS MONEY IN WELFARE CHECKS ,FOOD STAMPS AND MEDICADE HANDOUTS. AND BY GOD IF THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THAT RUGRAT THEY SHOULD HAVE KEPT THEIR LEGS TOGETHER!sO WHEN YOU TAKE IN A HOMELESS MOTHER ,WHEN YOU SUPPORT THE UNDER PRIVILAGE AND DEMAND A DECENT WAGE FOR ALL WORKERS. (WALMART STARTS THEIR WORKERS AT $6.30 FOR SOME POSITIONS,THATS THE RICHEST COMPANY ,FAMILY IN THE WORLD)( YOU SHOP THERE? SHAME ON YOU IF YOU DO)THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL WE HAVE A COMMON GROUND. TIL THAT TIME I STAND BY MY STATEMENTS!

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On 2005-10-28 20:41:00, electricparadise wrote:
To numnuts & bp, If mr president whose approvall rating is in the toilet had done his job,like find & kill bin ladden I wouldn't be so peeed! but he & his cronies(been reading the paper about Scooterlittle ones?)got us into war over lies ( when is that simple fact gonna sink into your pee pinkin brains) why do you think Scooter is gonna spend time in jail? They tried to deepsix someone who was critical about the lies they had cooked up.& he got caught lying to the grand jury. And I hope its the start of the complete meltdown of this whole administration.

As far as abortion goes ,isn't that between The woman & her Dr. And PLULEASE DON'T GIVE ME THAT CRAP OF HOW YOU ARE SO darn CONCERNED ABOUT THAT CHILD! HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU GONE TO A SINGLE MOTHER WHO DECIDED TO KEEP HER BABY AND OFFERED TO HELP,EITHER WITH BABY FOOD ,DIAPERS, WHATEVER..BUT HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT THOSE LAZY PEOPLE ON WELFARE THAT ARE SUCKING US HONEST TAXPAYERS MONEY IN WELFARE CHECKS ,FOOD STAMPS AND MEDICADE HANDOUTS. AND BY GOD IF THEY COULDN'T AFFORD THAT RUGRAT THEY SHOULD HAVE KEPT THEIR LEGS TOGETHER!sO WHEN YOU TAKE IN A HOMELESS MOTHER ,WHEN YOU SUPPORT THE UNDER PRIVILAGE AND DEMAND A DECENT WAGE FOR ALL WORKERS. (WALMART STARTS THEIR WORKERS AT $6.30 FOR SOME POSITIONS,THATS THE RICHEST COMPANY ,FAMILY IN THE WORLD)( YOU SHOP THERE? SHAME ON YOU IF YOU DO)THEN AND ONLY THEN WILL WE HAVE A COMMON GROUND. TIL THAT TIME I STAND BY MY STATEMENTS!



I can see why you do so much cut and pasting.

Great, if you can't defend your position or refute the facts ,attack the person, typical rebublican method .HMMMM sounds like you are like Scooter & the gang . Don't like what i say so you make fun of my syntac and the way I put sentences together. Here is something that I didn't cut and paste. We invaded a country that was not threating us. The Iraqies are going to be ruled by a religious group soon . Our leaders screwed up. it was done over oil. When women don't have control over their bodies they are like cattle. When people follow religious leaders and don't think for themselves they are like sheep. When a ruling party does not provide for ALL of the citizens it should be replaced . When you vote for some one over one issue who turns out to be noncompassionate, stupid in foriegn affairs, a panderer to the rich,a person who puts incompetant people in important positions, you should accept the blame .

Don't give me that crap about hard times I have been there and done that I grew up poor and my wife had it even worse so bad that the local church use to bring them food and christmas gifts. When we were 17 she got pregnant but guess what we all choose are own destiny we stuck it out and nobody gave us anything so no I don't give anything to "Wal-Mart workers" other than the fact I am sure I contribute every april 15th. They are unskilled labor. People seem to forget when they were 19 and going to parties with their friends I was working 80 hours a week so I could buy my first house, they wasted their money on the car with the big engine or big speakers thats not my fault. Again I say WE ALL CHOOSE OUR OWN DESTINY! I am by no way rich but I am very upper middle class but thats not because anybody gave me anything not even a chance I had to earn that to. And yes I do care about those babies because at 17 that decision could of been made so easy by us, but it wasn't we took the mature way about it. You see electric if you keep bailing people out they will never learn and my son made me grow up quick. Maybe more people should try having a little bit of repsonibility, but you democrats keep wanting to bail people out.


One more little thing when you are 50 or 60 maybe even older don't be jealous of the guy or lady who invested their money or bought real estate etc... while you went to the movies, eat out, wore the latest clothes or drove the newest cars, just remember what I said WE ALL CHOOSE OUR OWN DESTINY!

Well congradulations, you are part of the I got mine screw you crowd. Most people are 4 paychecks from being homeless, That includes you if you are honest with yourself.It takes one serious illness ,one accident and your so called middleclass utopia is history.Its not about responsibility ,its about reaching out,making the playing field level,not everyone is as smart,as knowledgable,as ruthless as you seem to be. Tell me , you are well off ,do you give back to the church that gave so much to your wifes family,without taking the tax credit???????Thought so. As far as "walmart workers" for every 250 employees they have in a community it cost you upper middle class tax payers a million bucks in social cost . want to get mad at some body ? Go and talk to the owners and demand they pay their workers a living wage . That will lower your tax bill . As far as destiny goes some are born rich some get flushed and some get swallowed, you are as bad as the Taliban in your own way ,telling people how to live.
and I am that age , and I am not jealous ,just sad that people like you are in charge ,the ones with no compassion , the ones with "I forge my own life" well youv'e been lucky so far little one. Land becomes worthless, stocks fail , and goverments become corrupt.

I've been lucky??? huh luck is winning the lottery, or having someone pay for your education I have had nothing but hard work you should try it sometime. Sounds like you are a little jealous to use your quote "if you be honest with yourself".



To reply to your comment about Mr. Libby my first question is did you even know who he was a week ago and be honest? Next be careful about throwing stones because Clinton was charged with the same crimes.

To answer the Libby question ....yes . And oh yeah bring up Clinton, lets see what did he lie about......Oh yeah getting a blowjob from someone other than his wife.
And I'm sure YOU ,being an upstanding Rebublican Christian(who didn't answer MY question about giving to the church by the way) was never ,or know of anybody in your religious circle, that lied about an affair. Nope not the Pious people of the right. Shame on Mr, Clinton .Dud did he take a country to war over lies.( with the help of Mr. Libby). Did he smear someone by outting his wife ,a CIA operative,which is what LIbby did and then lied of his part in it to the grand jury.Which is what lIbby is charged with ,among other things.Did the Main LIes ,which Libby was in on from the first, the WMD sh&t, cause any deaths???? Did Clintons lies cause any deaths ? ONly the ones Monica swallowwed(you believe in half of a human being)What Clinton did was between two people ,three if you count his wife. The lies libby & COmpany (Chenney /bush/Rove/Powell etc...)told has affected millions,And I don't want that crapp ....oh but the Iraqies are free . Wasn't our business. Cause if that was the case we'd be in 67 other countries.
Again , Have you helped out a single mother that kept her baby instead of aborting it? Better question ....how many people would have helped the mother of your child if you hadn'd been there(and my hat is off to you for being there) think about it ,if you had been born 15 yrs earlier you 'd have been in the great Viet Nam war, where we were fighting the bad commies in the rice paddies. Not this little war on terrorists, that the country hasn't sacrificed anything from their pocket book. Only blood from the kids that swallowed (like monica) the lies put out by Libby.(agAin for the people that don't get it.... NO WMD)btw IT HAS BEEN OVER 1400 DAYS SINCE bush SAID HE WAS GOING TO GET BENLADDEN FOR THE WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACK. 1400 days!!!!