BUSH AND THE VACINE #18 - tanTALK

electricparadise · 10-18-2004, 09:19 PM

This loser doesn't deserve one single vote!!!!!!! BUSH WARNED ABOUT VACCINE SUPPLY PROBLEM IN 2001: In May 2001, the General Accounting Office (GAO) issued a report concluding "a production delay or shortfall experienced by even one of the three remaining manufacturers can significantly impact overall vaccine availability." Specifically, the GAO expressed concern that, in the event of a shortage, "there is no mechanism currently in place to distribute flu vaccine to high-risk individuals before others." The report recommended robust cooperation between the federal government and the private sector to avoid future problems.

BUSH IGNORES THE PROBLEM 3+ YEARS: The GAO produced a follow-up report in September 2004, more than three years later. That report found "the number of producers remains limited, and the potential for manufacturing problems...is still present." Again, the GAO noted "there is no system in place to ensure that seniors and others at high risk for complications receive flu vaccinations first when vaccine is in short supply."

BUSH BLEW OPPORTUNITY TO SECURE ALTERNATIVE SUPPLIES: On Sept. 13, Chiron Corp. informed officials from the United States and England that there were unresolved contamination problems at its Liverpool, England, plant. The British government responded by contacting other manufacturers and securing alternative supplies. The Bush administration failed to act before all doses of the flu vaccine had been purchased.

BUSH ADMINISTRATION EXCUSE RINGS HOLLOW: FDA Acting Commissioner Lester M. Crawford suggests the United States could not find new supplies of the flu vaccine because they didn't know the Chiron plant would be closed until Oct. 5, by which time there was no more vaccine available. Crawford does not specifically deny, however, that the FDA knew there were unresolved contamination issues at the plant starting on Sept. 13.

BUSH WILL SAY ANYTHING TO AVOID RESPONSIBILITY: In an effort to avoid any responsibility for the problem, Bush said in the debate last Wednesday the United States had a flu vaccine shortage because "we relied upon a company out of England." But Chiron Corp. is a California company, subject to regulation by the U.S. government, which operates a factory in England. Bush also took credit for identifying the problem, saying "we took the right action and didn't allow contaminated medicine into our country." But it was the British government, not the Bush administration, that closed the factory and prevented the contaminated vaccines from entering the United States. The FDA inspected the plant in June 2003 and found contamination problems – but later announced that the problems had been fixed to its satisfaction.

HYPOCRITICAL RESPONSE – IMPORT VACCINES FROM CANADA: Asked about the vaccine shortage during the debate, Bush said "we're working with Canada to – hopefully they'll produce a – help us realize the vaccine necessary to make sure our citizens have got flu vaccinations." Apparently, Bush forgot that his administration has been working doggedly to prevent the reimportation of cheaper Canadian drugs at the behest of the pharmaceutical company, claiming they are unsafe. The next day, Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson got back on message, saying "getting more vaccine from Canada is unlikely."

DESPERATE RESPONSE – BLAME KERRY: According to Bush campaign Chairman Ken Mehlman, the administration bears no responsibility for the flu vaccine shortage – it's all John Kerry's fault. According to Mehlman, John Kerry is responsible because he opposed a 2003 bill that would limit legal liability for drug manufacturers whose products injure patients. The bill never even came up for a vote in the Republican-controlled Senate.

Neon Beach · 10-18-2004, 09:27 PM

Since everything that has gone wrong in the U.S. in the last 4 years seems to be the Presidents fault, why don't you save some space on this server and tells us what wasn't his fault. I heard some oldtimer got a hangnail on the big toe of his right foot, darn that President! Kerry's pedicurist should be able to help.

electricparadise · 10-18-2004, 09:43 PM

He did right by going after benladin,have always said that(din't finish the job though/But the air is worse down here(Thats in the usa not southern ontario.More people have no health insurance than ever before,(more than the total population of canada by millions,The cost for 2 people in Indiana mid 40s with a very high deductable is about $900.00 a month!He went to war in Iraq with cherrry picked intelligence(hope you know that term)/didn't supply our troops with armor BEFORE invading!!!!!!!! So please don't give me that crap about Kerry's votes ,They should have had the stuff BEFORE they got there & a GOOD commander would have made sure .He didn't! Because of him NOT TAKING THE ADVISE OF THE GENERALS WE ARE IN A CHAOS SITUATION OVER THERE,I don't see how anyone can get us out .By the wway there are not 125,000 trained Iraq police ,more like 35,000 Another big lie that no one picked up on. You want more? if ya do I 'l be on mannyada.

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Neon Beach · 10-18-2004, 10:29 PM

He may be the commander, but I doubt he handles purchasing personally, maybe the Generals that have been there for years before him should have handled that one?

Darn hangnails, what will he do next?
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electricparadise · 10-19-2004, 10:24 AM

Duh DUDE! If you knew you were going into an unpopular war(and he should have know at least that) it would be to your best interest to make sure ALL soldiers & equipment have the best protection. They had the technology,but the A$$HOLES in charge didn't think things through!!!!!!!Thats what a GOOD COMMANDER DOES. Did you read Oneils book ? He was the treasure Sec. First cabinet meeting Weed wanted to know how we could take out Sadam.FIRST MEETING!!!!!! 10 months before 9/11.Just before9/11 his presidency was in the toilet (49%) approval rating & heading lower ,spent more time in texas & camp David than he did in D.C. He dropped the F@#KING Ball about BINLADDEN . I bet if the truth (and thats another thing ,this bunch has spent over 6 BIllion dollars making reports & papers Top secret.More than any other administration .Even his Daddys papers & his papers from when he was Gov. are off limits for 50 years.)be known he didn't even LOOK at those inteligence papers. Why do you think they tried their darndest to keep the 9/11 commision from even happening? and to use the presidecy office to keep from appearing in front of the cameras BUSHSHIT! WE THE PEOPLE are paying his salary,he is not God,he is not immune /It sickens me to see what he has done to this nation.And he has the Balls to say he is a christian, doesn't even go to church, doesn't tithe ,shows no commpassion (hasn't been to ONE fallen soldiers funeral& he's had over a 1,000 chances ).Didn't have a problem serving a thanksgiving dinner, though kept some troops from eating at that mess hall cause HE was there.Martha Stewart went to jail for what she did .He did worse in 89 & 87 but Daddy was Mr. big, got away with a felony ,Going way back ,to his youth didn't even show up for drill in the National guard.So what if it was 30 years ago.I don't get it. Kerry was in battle,don't care if it was 4 months 4 days ,4hrs, He volunteered & when he came back,spoke out against a stupid political war. Nobody at that time said he caused pows to be tortured. None of the returning pows mentioned his name,in their after action reports........until now. only one or two of the so called SBFT WERE EVEN THERE WHEN HE WAS. So now maybe you know a little bit of why this person ,me (same age as WEED,) & I was also there in VN & I also saw war crimes committed& I didn't hide out in the guard,& sorry to all those natioal guard folks of that era but thats what you were doing in the mid to late 60s... HIDING..and he was hiding & didn't even have the decency to finish his commitment.....**** i 'M DONE FOR NOW .YOU WANT MORE ASK .(cause we didn't even discuss why every single ENVIRENMENTAL group out there is against him.

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Neon Beach · 10-19-2004, 10:53 AM

"If you knew you were going into an unpopular war"

Hmmmmm, now where's my list of popular wars?

"Kerry was in battle"

So what? I don't believe he was a 5-star was he?

engfant · 10-19-2004, 11:07 AM

EP is just passionate and ovbiously slightly crazy which is good. I'll take crazy over stupid anyday. I JUST HAD A HANGNAIL and it's the first real BAD ONE I've ever had. ANd it was while Bush was in office. DAM YOU BUSH! DAM YOU!!!!

Neon Beach · 10-19-2004, 11:21 AM

I knew it! Those hangnails are slowly taking over........

trusno1 · 10-19-2004, 11:23 AM

Maybe Bush figured it would help out medicare and social security and welfare. If the elderly and children die from it, there's money in his pocket.

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KnxTan · 10-19-2004, 11:30 AM

Point to ponder.

Kerry's cabinet will be mostly old Clintonites.

Scary?

10-18-2004, 09:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
electricparadise Waiting Confirmation Join Date: Dec 4 2002 Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	This loser doesn't deserve one single vote!!!!!!! BUSH WARNED ABOUT VACCINE SUPPLY PROBLEM IN 2001: In May 2001, the General Accounting Office (GAO) issued a report concluding "a production delay or shortfall experienced by even one of the three remaining manufacturers can significantly impact overall vaccine availability." Specifically, the GAO expressed concern that, in the event of a shortage, "there is no mechanism currently in place to distribute flu vaccine to high-risk individuals before others." The report recommended robust cooperation between the federal government and the private sector to avoid future problems. BUSH IGNORES THE PROBLEM 3+ YEARS: The GAO produced a follow-up report in September 2004, more than three years later. That report found "the number of producers remains limited, and the potential for manufacturing problems...is still present." Again, the GAO noted "there is no system in place to ensure that seniors and others at high risk for complications receive flu vaccinations first when vaccine is in short supply." BUSH BLEW OPPORTUNITY TO SECURE ALTERNATIVE SUPPLIES: On Sept. 13, Chiron Corp. informed officials from the United States and England that there were unresolved contamination problems at its Liverpool, England, plant. The British government responded by contacting other manufacturers and securing alternative supplies. The Bush administration failed to act before all doses of the flu vaccine had been purchased. BUSH ADMINISTRATION EXCUSE RINGS HOLLOW: FDA Acting Commissioner Lester M. Crawford suggests the United States could not find new supplies of the flu vaccine because they didn't know the Chiron plant would be closed until Oct. 5, by which time there was no more vaccine available. Crawford does not specifically deny, however, that the FDA knew there were unresolved contamination issues at the plant starting on Sept. 13. BUSH WILL SAY ANYTHING TO AVOID RESPONSIBILITY: In an effort to avoid any responsibility for the problem, Bush said in the debate last Wednesday the United States had a flu vaccine shortage because "we relied upon a company out of England." But Chiron Corp. is a California company, subject to regulation by the U.S. government, which operates a factory in England. Bush also took credit for identifying the problem, saying "we took the right action and didn't allow contaminated medicine into our country." But it was the British government, not the Bush administration, that closed the factory and prevented the contaminated vaccines from entering the United States. The FDA inspected the plant in June 2003 and found contamination problems – but later announced that the problems had been fixed to its satisfaction. HYPOCRITICAL RESPONSE – IMPORT VACCINES FROM CANADA: Asked about the vaccine shortage during the debate, Bush said "we're working with Canada to – hopefully they'll produce a – help us realize the vaccine necessary to make sure our citizens have got flu vaccinations." Apparently, Bush forgot that his administration has been working doggedly to prevent the reimportation of cheaper Canadian drugs at the behest of the pharmaceutical company, claiming they are unsafe. The next day, Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson got back on message, saying "getting more vaccine from Canada is unlikely." DESPERATE RESPONSE – BLAME KERRY: According to Bush campaign Chairman Ken Mehlman, the administration bears no responsibility for the flu vaccine shortage – it's all John Kerry's fault. According to Mehlman, John Kerry is responsible because he opposed a 2003 bill that would limit legal liability for drug manufacturers whose products injure patients. The bill never even came up for a vote in the Republican-controlled Senate.

10-18-2004, 09:27 PM	#2 (permalink)
Neon Beach Join Date: Nov 30 2000 Location: Ontario Age: 61 Posts: 38,594 Rep Power: 107	Since everything that has gone wrong in the U.S. in the last 4 years seems to be the Presidents fault, why don't you save some space on this server and tells us what wasn't his fault. I heard some oldtimer got a hangnail on the big toe of his right foot, darn that President! Kerry's pedicurist should be able to help.

10-18-2004, 09:43 PM	#3 (permalink)
electricparadise Waiting Confirmation Join Date: Dec 4 2002 Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	He did right by going after benladin,have always said that(din't finish the job though/But the air is worse down here(Thats in the usa not southern ontario.More people have no health insurance than ever before,(more than the total population of canada by millions,The cost for 2 people in Indiana mid 40s with a very high deductable is about $900.00 a month!He went to war in Iraq with cherrry picked intelligence(hope you know that term)/didn't supply our troops with armor BEFORE invading!!!!!!!! So please don't give me that crap about Kerry's votes ,They should have had the stuff BEFORE they got there & a GOOD commander would have made sure .He didn't! Because of him NOT TAKING THE ADVISE OF THE GENERALS WE ARE IN A CHAOS SITUATION OVER THERE,I don't see how anyone can get us out .By the wway there are not 125,000 trained Iraq police ,more like 35,000 Another big lie that no one picked up on. You want more? if ya do I 'l be on mannyada. _________________ "IF YOUR'E PAYIN TAXES ,YOUR'E MAKIN MONEY.[ This Message was edited by: electricparadise on 2004-10-18 21:46 ]

10-18-2004, 10:29 PM	#4 (permalink)
Neon Beach Join Date: Nov 30 2000 Location: Ontario Age: 61 Posts: 38,594 Rep Power: 107	He may be the commander, but I doubt he handles purchasing personally, maybe the Generals that have been there for years before him should have handled that one? Darn hangnails, what will he do next? _________________ I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.[ This Message was edited by: Neon Beach on 2004-10-19 10:49 ]

10-19-2004, 10:24 AM	#5 (permalink)
electricparadise Waiting Confirmation Join Date: Dec 4 2002 Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	Duh DUDE! If you knew you were going into an unpopular war(and he should have know at least that) it would be to your best interest to make sure ALL soldiers & equipment have the best protection. They had the technology,but the A$$HOLES in charge didn't think things through!!!!!!!Thats what a GOOD COMMANDER DOES. Did you read Oneils book ? He was the treasure Sec. First cabinet meeting Weed wanted to know how we could take out Sadam.FIRST MEETING!!!!!! 10 months before 9/11.Just before9/11 his presidency was in the toilet (49%) approval rating & heading lower ,spent more time in texas & camp David than he did in D.C. He dropped the F@#KING Ball about BINLADDEN . I bet if the truth (and thats another thing ,this bunch has spent over 6 BIllion dollars making reports & papers Top secret.More than any other administration .Even his Daddys papers & his papers from when he was Gov. are off limits for 50 years.)be known he didn't even LOOK at those inteligence papers. Why do you think they tried their darndest to keep the 9/11 commision from even happening? and to use the presidecy office to keep from appearing in front of the cameras BUSHSHIT! WE THE PEOPLE are paying his salary,he is not God,he is not immune /It sickens me to see what he has done to this nation.And he has the Balls to say he is a christian, doesn't even go to church, doesn't tithe ,shows no commpassion (hasn't been to ONE fallen soldiers funeral& he's had over a 1,000 chances ).Didn't have a problem serving a thanksgiving dinner, though kept some troops from eating at that mess hall cause HE was there.Martha Stewart went to jail for what she did .He did worse in 89 & 87 but Daddy was Mr. big, got away with a felony ,Going way back ,to his youth didn't even show up for drill in the National guard.So what if it was 30 years ago.I don't get it. Kerry was in battle,don't care if it was 4 months 4 days ,4hrs, He volunteered & when he came back,spoke out against a stupid political war. Nobody at that time said he caused pows to be tortured. None of the returning pows mentioned his name,in their after action reports........until now. only one or two of the so called SBFT WERE EVEN THERE WHEN HE WAS. So now maybe you know a little bit of why this person ,me (same age as WEED,) & I was also there in VN & I also saw war crimes committed& I didn't hide out in the guard,& sorry to all those natioal guard folks of that era but thats what you were doing in the mid to late 60s... HIDING..and he was hiding & didn't even have the decency to finish his commitment.....**** i 'M DONE FOR NOW .YOU WANT MORE ASK .(cause we didn't even discuss why every single ENVIRENMENTAL group out there is against him. _________________ "IF YOUR'E PAYIN TAXES ,YOUR'E MAKIN MONEY.[ This Message was edited by: electricparadise on 2004-10-19 10:26 ]

10-19-2004, 10:53 AM	#6 (permalink)
Neon Beach Join Date: Nov 30 2000 Location: Ontario Age: 61 Posts: 38,594 Rep Power: 107	"If you knew you were going into an unpopular war" Hmmmmm, now where's my list of popular wars? "Kerry was in battle" So what? I don't believe he was a 5-star was he?

10-19-2004, 11:07 AM	#7 (permalink)
engfant Join Date: May 20 2003 Posts: 9,301 Rep Power: 29	EP is just passionate and ovbiously slightly crazy which is good. I'll take crazy over stupid anyday. I JUST HAD A HANGNAIL and it's the first real BAD ONE I've ever had. ANd it was while Bush was in office. DAM YOU BUSH! DAM YOU!!!!

10-19-2004, 11:21 AM	#8 (permalink)
Neon Beach Join Date: Nov 30 2000 Location: Ontario Age: 61 Posts: 38,594 Rep Power: 107	I knew it! Those hangnails are slowly taking over........

10-19-2004, 11:23 AM	#9 (permalink)
trusno1 Join Date: Apr 4 2003 Location: Marysville, OH Posts: 149 Rep Power: 22	Maybe Bush figured it would help out medicare and social security and welfare. If the elderly and children die from it, there's money in his pocket. _________________ [ This Message was edited by: trusno1 on 2004-10-19 11:23 ]

10-19-2004, 11:30 AM	#10 (permalink)
KnxTan I love Derf!! Join Date: Oct 8 2004 Posts: 896 Rep Power: 24	Point to ponder. Kerry's cabinet will be mostly old Clintonites. Scary?

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