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Old 10-06-2004, 05:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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THIS IS ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH TOO MUCH TAX CUTS & NOT ENOUGH BALLS TO CLOSE THE CORPORATION LOOPHLES! The man should not be in charge of this country. MEDICAID – SPENDING TO OUTPACE REVENUES IN STATES: According to a new study by the Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured, state spending on Medicaid "is expected to grow four times faster than all other state expenditures this fiscal year." The increase, combined with Bush tax cuts robbing states of crucial revenue, is forcing many states to take dramatic cost-cutting measures. In Colorado, for example, lawmakers have approved a law to "remove legal immigrants from full Medicaid coverage, affecting about 3,500 people." Georgia tightened the eligibility income limit for about 7,500 pregnant women and their infants and Mississippi has "adopted a plan to stop coverage for about 65,000 elderly and disabled beneficiaries." A second report by the Kaiser Commission "found that 23 states took actions that made it harder for poor children to get and keep state-funded health coverage between April 2003 and July 2004."
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Old 10-06-2004, 07:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
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EP, I am as anti-bush as you, but why should the taxpayers be paying immigrants and welfare people's medical bills? They could make severe reforms and redirect the medicade to where it really needs to go: the elderly and the poor children. Mississippi sucks adopting that plan, that is the reason Medicade is available. I wish they could reach a middle ground on this.
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Are you saying people on welfare shouldn't recieve health care? Or immigrants that pick the food we eat/ or serve us the food at the restraurants we eat at or the ones that mow our lawn or watch our kids . This is supposedly the richest nation of all the industrial nations on earth . I don't have the answers but I do know those buttwipes in power don't either, and we need to tackle alot of problems & this is one of them
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Now, EP, you know that I almost always agree with you whole-heartedly, but...

I can't afford health care...do I have insurance? Uhhh,no!

Why should someone who wasn't born here be allowed health care the native citizens can't get?

Why should someone who doesn't work (willfully) be allowed health care when average working families, and business owners even, don't have that luxury?

Anybody who gets pregnant in our state is entitled to healthcare, even if they got pregnant knowing they couldn't afford a child. Why should that be rewarded?
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That's not the thing. People forget just how much more money war and Bush's nonsense costs than some of these plans to help out the U.S.
Also, the rich are ALWAYS going to have health care NO MATTER WHAT. POLITICIANS are going to have health care NO MATTER WHAT. They are NOT on the same plans as us jerks. Stop thinking you belong in some ELITE group when YOU DO NOT.

THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WITH THIS WHOLE THING IS IMMIGRANTS? Who's an immigrant? Are we all Native Americans all of a sudden? This country is NOT a REDNECK majority like the REBEL FLAG WAVING DOUCHES in the south would LIKE you to think.
It's a NATION OF IMMIGRANTS. Just cause we are here first don't mean ****zy.

If something needs to be changed we DON'T need a one sided REDNECK like Bush to narrowmind important issues like this. Brainstorming is necessary in MOST cases and UNFORTUNATELY Bush's brain is nothing more than a hamsterless wheel.
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Old 10-07-2004, 01:00 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Oh come on!
Tell us how you really feel!
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Thank you Sweda, **** I don't have any either(not since the wife quit her job & now she has a $2500 deductable,cost $176.74 per month,if I was on it it would be up to $ 370 something (gotta get signed up with VA if I can)(& I have heard such good things on how our Gov. takes care of us vets)Shucks I was way off to the left & down on that test Egfant told us about. & it just burns me up that we spend sooooooooo much on military stuff(example we have 5-6 hubble telescopes in space looking down on us that cost a billion dollars each& didn't do any good looking for terrorists) but we can't join the Europeans or even our neghbors to the north on providing health care to everyone.It is a problem & my SAT scores were a lot lower than BUSH'S (unless he had some one take his,...........nah he wouldn't have done that .........wood he? I am glad for this feedback need more figures & ideas(shucks we might figure something out !
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I was really let down by the government a few months ago, things were really tight before we opened and I (gasp) thought about getting food stamps or something. You see, a Section 8 sponsored family lives next door to me, pays $75 a month for a house bigger than mine, has SIX kids, and a baby's daddy who sits on the couch all day and has his kid bum cigs from neighbors. Did I mention they drive a CADILLAC ESCALADE?? I quit a 65K a year job to pursue this salon, so I guess I made my own bed, but I was practically laughed out of the Dept. of Health because I made so much last year, and paid for my neighbors rent and alcohol and whatever else, how dare I ask for govt. assistance? I cannot afford insurance either and can't get it because I won't get pregnant. It says right on the application that no matter what, if I am pregnant I can have assistance. The message is clear - keep pumping out crack babies and we will make everyone else pay for them, and give the crack mommie some spending money too! Train as a prostitute, make a living off welfare! My point was to crack down on offenders, make sure everyone receiving healthcare that is eligible to work IS MADE TO WORK to get their benefits. If I went to, Let's say Canada, I would not expect them to pay for my healthcare if I was a poor immigrant. When are people going to take responsibility for themselves? I have huge respect for the immigrants in this area, I believe for the most part they are extremely hard, loyal workers and deserve the utmost respect for taking those kinds of employment. I said before that I have worked with several immigrants and every time I'm impressed their work ethic. It's the people who are cheating the system like the baby poppers and the lazy crack addicts that need to be Darwin'd.
Engfant - I look at it like this. If you were born here, you are not an immigrant. If you were born somewhere else first, then came, you are one. I'm talking about the present, not the Mayflower days. To me it's not about race, culture, immigration, etc - it's about cheaters. It makes me so mad that I worked for years to support the poor, and I am STARVING and the Welfare people laugh at me.
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Sherin ,we do understand where you are coming from, do they have a division for welfare cheats where you are at? Like I said it is a problem.Here is a site that might cheer you up..**** ,didn't work, here try this,cause your neighbors are kinda unussual. Myth: People on welfare are usually black, teenage mothers who stay on ten years at a time.

Fact: Most welfare recipients are non-black, adult and on welfare less than two years at a time.



Summary

According to the statistics, whites form the largest racial group on welfare; half of all welfare recipients leave in the first two years; and teenagers form less than 8 percent of all welfare mothers.



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Here are the statistics on welfare recipients:

Traits of families on AFDC (1)

Race
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White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4

Time on AFDC
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Less than 7 months 19.0%
7 to 12 months 15.2
One to two years 19.3
Two to five years 26.9
Over five years 19.6

Number of children
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One 43.2%
Two 30.7
Three 15.8
Four or more 10.3

Age of Mother
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Teenager 7.6%
20 - 29 47.9
30 - 39 32.7
40 or older 11.8

Status of Father 1973 1992
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Divorced or separated 46.5% 28.6
Deceased 5.0 1.6
Unemployed or Disabled 14.3 9.0
Not married to mother 31.5 55.3
Other or Unknown 2.7 5.5

Notes on teenagers

As the statistics show, teenage mothers comprise a very small part of the welfare population.

And contrary to popular belief, teenage pregnancy has declined in the last several decades. Many are surprised to learn that the height of teenage pregnancy in the U.S. actually occurred in the 1950s - a decade known for its supposed conservative social values. Between 1960 and 1992, the number of births per 1,000 teenagers (aged 15-19) declined from 89 to 61. (2)

However, this was also an era when individual welfare benefits declined. Between 1970 and 1991, the purchasing power of benefits for the typical AFDC family fell 42 percent, primarily as a result of state and federal cuts. (3) Ironically, many conservatives will be surprised to learn that their correlation still stands, even if they thought it was in the other direction.

However, the period from 1946 to 1963 is known as the "Baby Boom," because all childbearing age groups - not just teenagers - were having children at unusually high rates. The teenage birth rate is not the only one that has declined in the decades since.

Furthermore, the socially conservative 50s featured much less sex education, and many sexually active teenagers were ignorant of birth control. The falling teenage birthrates in the last several decades could as well be correlated with better sex education as falling individual welfare payments.
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Sherin, I'm in the same boat as you. It's too bad that there are SO MANY COCKROACHES alowed to live on welfare and roll in Esclades.

You think you have it bad? Lawrence, Lowell, Lynn, Chelsea MASS. The TOP OF THE LIST for insurance fraud, welfare, and any freebee they got coming to them. I'm surrounded by these WAR ZONES. Unless you have a step 9 and an 84 Chevette, auto insurance is THOUSANDS.

Unfortunately, this is reality and it's NEVER gunna go away NO MATTER WHO'S IN OFFICE cause politicians are LAZY DO NOTHING FOOLS.

BUT, to blame it on "immigrants" is like blameing blacks for all the crime. It's just not the case. WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE MOST LAZY PIECES OF SHAT ON THIS PLANET. They saw the blacks and hispanics getting a little bit and they are ALL peeED cause OTHER races are stealing their free ride.

Hard times create hard people. You CANNOT CRY EVERYTIME some jerk gets something that YOU DESERVE and they don't. You have to build up a skin or the world is gunna CHEW YOU UP.

I would have KILLED myself by now.

Take up boxing if you have to take out aggression.

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