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phlash58 · 08-16-2004, 12:06 PM

How many of you would be bragging about 3 purple hearts if you were only in action for 4 months and only recieved minor scratches? No wonder he threw them over the White House Fence!! Maybe at the time he was embarassed at recieving them. But now the king of flip flops wants them back.

electricparadise · 08-16-2004, 01:32 PM

Old news /dumb question/At least He went,did put himself in harms way.volunteered for the most dangerous mission the Navy had, (his crew said he was a good commander,preformed bravely under fire.ARE YOU QUESTIONING THEIR RECOLLECTIONS? (not like most of the top dogs in this administration)/McCain(who got smeared for his war record)[I think they would say "JESUS" was a masakist if it would keep Bush in] has publictly denounced these kind of attacks. This is getting kinda funny . Please try a different tactic ,this is getting OLD.

phlash58 · 08-16-2004, 09:15 PM

Whats getting old is the fact that this guy is trying to make out like he is some kind of war hero. War heros don't throw their medals away...only someone who was ashamed of the way he recieved them would. They called that treason in this country at one time. Bush has never CLAIMED to be a war hero..and as for the crew..MONEY TALKS!!! And I think you and your buddy Engfant need to get your lives together...Maybe you ought to stop putting down God and Jesus...Talk about something that is getting OLD.

gatorone · 08-17-2004, 02:57 PM

Well said phlash. One of the funniest things to me is that the TRUE war heroes that I have met in my lifetime, NEVER talk about or say that they are war heroes. They are far too dignified to brag about things like that.

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Kanoo · 08-17-2004, 11:37 PM

Phlash!!!! I will have to agree......Being part of the Montucky right wing...I wanna see the scars!!! I bet it is a hangnail,,,,self inflicted powder burn ,,,and a leech attached to his earlobe...Just my guess.. Ah ****,,,I'll give him a " hit by the fellers skull fragments, that pushed my white flag wavin' arse down " " while we were takin' fire..." Anyway,,,right wing rhetoric is not welcome here I reckon...Let's get back to "how we can run a salon"....LMAO!!!

gottaknow · 08-18-2004, 01:23 PM

check out swift boat veterans website for some interesting facts.
Then lets go back to tanning.

electricparadise · 08-18-2004, 04:21 PM

DUh???Again I gotta say this. These "SWIFTBOAT VETS" were NOT on the same boat!!! !Senator MCcain lamblasted that add & asked that the Whitehouse do the same ///They did not!!! BUSH MANIPULATED THE FACTS ON WMD, LEFT OUT KEY REORTS THAT CAST DOUBTS ON SAME / THEY SOLD THE SENATE & CONGRESS& THE AMERICAN PUBLIC LIES & CRAP ON INVADING IRAQ /THEY HAVE CAUSED DEATHS & DESTRUCTION & YOU 'blind religious fanatics cheer these assholes on.DON'T YOU F%$KIN GET IT !! NOW you get ALL bent out of shape because a guy didn't lose an arm when he got wounded . And thats your big reason for not voting for him... Oh ya the FLIP FLOP issue You ever change your mind once you get ALL the correct FACTS???????? Lets see Bush said no Nato ,now he's begging for help.BUT WHY GO ON I GOTTA GET SOME MORE TANNERS SIGNED UP TO VOTE.

tanfixr · 08-18-2004, 05:28 PM

Reality check... McCain wasn't on Kerry's boad either so anything he says is irrelevant. Reality check again, those vets weren't on his boat but they were with the same group of boats and physically with Kerry during some of the events in question. Reality check again, they're criticizms are not only their own conclusions, but are conclusions made from interviews, etc. of 60+ OTHER vets that all had contact, some more some less, with Kerry. Reality check again, congress, especially the intelligence committees who had top secret security clearance, had the same info as Bush did. Reality check again, critics of Kerry are NOT the ones who brought up his Vietnam service and don't really care what he did in Vietnam. Reality check again, It is KERRY that is using Vietnam as a political reason to make a choice on who to vote for. He is saying that because he was in Vietnam that he is more qualified than Bush. Based on his own words, this is total nonsense. Reality check again, Bush NEVER said he didn't want NATO's help. In fact he practically begged the UN to uphold their resolutions but they failed to do so largely because of financial and political corruption.

Question, what in the **** does religion have to do with going to war? Bringing that up is a dead giveaway that you have no interest in discussing reality.

I tried to give you a little help with connecting the dots of a coherent thought process. If you have no interest in a rational discussion then just say so.

electricparadise · 08-18-2004, 08:12 PM

I copied this to explain part of your post ,the religious part I'l do in another post. No Debating a Sense of Duty

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Wednesday, August 18, 2004; Page A19

I am from that generation of younger brothers who just missed World War II and went to war against communism in Korea in 1950. Many of us became fathers to those who fought in Vietnam and grandfathers to those fighting in Iraq.

I would not presume to speak for a whole generation, but as a veteran of that combat, I say it is time to tell both presidential campaigns to cease their macho posturing and get on with real programs to run -- or save -- our country.

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In our long-ago time, we went to war reluctantly against an unknown enemy in an unknown land.

But, we went.

The conditions were harsh. The fighting -- pre-instant TV -- was ferocious at the front and mostly unseen at home. When we came back, no one particularly cared, and only one film ("Pork Chop Hill") and a handful of books remain to mark our passing.

That and a free South Korea.

We weren't noticeably upset at men who deferred service and went to college (except those who stole our girls). We didn't come home with rows of medals -- although many of us came home with injuries that still warn us of changes in the weather. We didn't do any complaining. We just came home and got on with our lives.

Why did we go? Why did we allow our young bodies and our young psyches to be subjected to a war so forgotten that even today it has not been mentioned by either candidate, both of whom failed to notice the anniversary of its June beginning and July ending?

I believe it was because we knew that we should. Some of us enlisted as regular Army infantry privates and later became combat officers because other men of the "greatest generation" had done it and we should too. It is a young man's reaction to a sense of responsibility and duty, done without much forethought.

That, I believe, is the key ingredient in John Kerry's service in Vietnam -- and why both campaigns should drop this contrived issue.

He did not have to go -- because he had been. His tour on a destroyer was overseas time enough. But he went to the boats because other young men were there. The men and the boats had a mission -- and he commanded, because he could. That is enough for me. I couldn't care less whether he received a medal. The rest of it is frosting. There is no honor in this debate for our country. We need to know whether a man can save the economy and slow terrorism, not listen to harangues about who was a shooter and who was a dodger.

Most of the real heroics are performed by young kids and young officers who just accept it as a cost of doing business in the peculiar exchange that is a combat battleground. The whole place -- and it does not matter which war we describe -- is one of fear, noise, smoke, confusion and a strange comradeship where you might risk your life for someone you will never see again. I don't know what the expression is in the Navy, but the Army's bittersweet joke is that the two most dangerous words in the English language are "follow me." It takes courage to utter those words and to follow that command -- something any veteran of any combat will recognize.

It is time for some of us older veterans to take one last stand and call on both parties to drop this base and meaningless debate. At the end of the day, and the end of the battle, medals are just symbols. And the bravery of thousands of our soldiers has passed into history unheralded by stars and ribbons. By engaging in mudslinging over this issue, both campaigns undermine the bravery and honor of all who serve in times of war and peace. And they distract us from the real issues of this election.

John Kerry heard the siren song of his moment -- that fragile call on the wind that is the call to the colors. He went. He came back. I give him credit for that. If he threw some ribbons over the fence, he's welcome to mine. They lie quietly in a desk drawer, entombed with memories of better men who lie in the dirt of faraway fields, where there really is no glory, but where courage and compassion came with the C-rations.

They believed ours was a great country, one that fought not for conquest or for gain but because freedom isn't free and someone has to pay for it. The bill comes due again in this election. Let's hope these two candidates don't leave us paupers.

The writer, a Washington businessman, was a combat infantryman in Korea and a war correspondent in Vietnam. He served as a presidential commissioner on the Korean War Memorial advisory panel.

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08-16-2004, 12:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
phlash58 Join Date: Feb 22 2004 Posts: 55 Rep Power: 0	How many of you would be bragging about 3 purple hearts if you were only in action for 4 months and only recieved minor scratches? No wonder he threw them over the White House Fence!! Maybe at the time he was embarassed at recieving them. But now the king of flip flops wants them back.

08-16-2004, 01:32 PM	#2 (permalink)
electricparadise Waiting Confirmation Join Date: Dec 4 2002 Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	Old news /dumb question/At least He went,did put himself in harms way.volunteered for the most dangerous mission the Navy had, (his crew said he was a good commander,preformed bravely under fire.ARE YOU QUESTIONING THEIR RECOLLECTIONS? (not like most of the top dogs in this administration)/McCain(who got smeared for his war record)[I think they would say "JESUS" was a masakist if it would keep Bush in] has publictly denounced these kind of attacks. This is getting kinda funny . Please try a different tactic ,this is getting OLD.

08-16-2004, 09:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
phlash58 Join Date: Feb 22 2004 Posts: 55 Rep Power: 0	Whats getting old is the fact that this guy is trying to make out like he is some kind of war hero. War heros don't throw their medals away...only someone who was ashamed of the way he recieved them would. They called that treason in this country at one time. Bush has never CLAIMED to be a war hero..and as for the crew..MONEY TALKS!!! And I think you and your buddy Engfant need to get your lives together...Maybe you ought to stop putting down God and Jesus...Talk about something that is getting OLD.

08-17-2004, 02:57 PM	#4 (permalink)
gatorone Join Date: May 6 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 54 Rep Power: 0	Well said phlash. One of the funniest things to me is that the TRUE war heroes that I have met in my lifetime, NEVER talk about or say that they are war heroes. They are far too dignified to brag about things like that.

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08-17-2004, 11:37 PM	#6 (permalink)
Kanoo Join Date: Aug 9 2004 Posts: 137 Rep Power: 20	Phlash!!!! I will have to agree......Being part of the Montucky right wing...I wanna see the scars!!! I bet it is a hangnail,,,,self inflicted powder burn ,,,and a leech attached to his earlobe...Just my guess.. Ah ****,,,I'll give him a " hit by the fellers skull fragments, that pushed my white flag wavin' arse down " " while we were takin' fire..." Anyway,,,right wing rhetoric is not welcome here I reckon...Let's get back to "how we can run a salon"....LMAO!!!

08-18-2004, 01:23 PM	#7 (permalink)
gottaknow I'm Banned Join Date: Mar 7 2003 Location: florida Posts: 367 Rep Power: 0	check out swift boat veterans website for some interesting facts. Then lets go back to tanning.

08-18-2004, 04:21 PM	#8 (permalink)
electricparadise Waiting Confirmation Join Date: Dec 4 2002 Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	DUh???Again I gotta say this. These "SWIFTBOAT VETS" were NOT on the same boat!!! !Senator MCcain lamblasted that add & asked that the Whitehouse do the same ///They did not!!! BUSH MANIPULATED THE FACTS ON WMD, LEFT OUT KEY REORTS THAT CAST DOUBTS ON SAME / THEY SOLD THE SENATE & CONGRESS& THE AMERICAN PUBLIC LIES & CRAP ON INVADING IRAQ /THEY HAVE CAUSED DEATHS & DESTRUCTION & YOU 'blind religious fanatics cheer these assholes on.DON'T YOU F%$KIN GET IT !! NOW you get ALL bent out of shape because a guy didn't lose an arm when he got wounded . And thats your big reason for not voting for him... Oh ya the FLIP FLOP issue You ever change your mind once you get ALL the correct FACTS???????? Lets see Bush said no Nato ,now he's begging for help.BUT WHY GO ON I GOTTA GET SOME MORE TANNERS SIGNED UP TO VOTE.

08-18-2004, 05:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
tanfixr Join Date: Aug 12 2002 Location: Michigan Age: 60 Posts: 338 Rep Power: 22	Reality check... McCain wasn't on Kerry's boad either so anything he says is irrelevant. Reality check again, those vets weren't on his boat but they were with the same group of boats and physically with Kerry during some of the events in question. Reality check again, they're criticizms are not only their own conclusions, but are conclusions made from interviews, etc. of 60+ OTHER vets that all had contact, some more some less, with Kerry. Reality check again, congress, especially the intelligence committees who had top secret security clearance, had the same info as Bush did. Reality check again, critics of Kerry are NOT the ones who brought up his Vietnam service and don't really care what he did in Vietnam. Reality check again, It is KERRY that is using Vietnam as a political reason to make a choice on who to vote for. He is saying that because he was in Vietnam that he is more qualified than Bush. Based on his own words, this is total nonsense. Reality check again, Bush NEVER said he didn't want NATO's help. In fact he practically begged the UN to uphold their resolutions but they failed to do so largely because of financial and political corruption. Question, what in the **** does religion have to do with going to war? Bringing that up is a dead giveaway that you have no interest in discussing reality. I tried to give you a little help with connecting the dots of a coherent thought process. If you have no interest in a rational discussion then just say so.

08-18-2004, 08:12 PM	#10 (permalink)
electricparadise Waiting Confirmation Join Date: Dec 4 2002 Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	I copied this to explain part of your post ,the religious part I'l do in another post. No Debating a Sense of Duty By William McSweeny Wednesday, August 18, 2004; Page A19 I am from that generation of younger brothers who just missed World War II and went to war against communism in Korea in 1950. Many of us became fathers to those who fought in Vietnam and grandfathers to those fighting in Iraq. I would not presume to speak for a whole generation, but as a veteran of that combat, I say it is time to tell both presidential campaigns to cease their macho posturing and get on with real programs to run -- or save -- our country. (Kim Kyung-hoon -- Reuters) _____Today's Op-Eds_____ • Bush's Withdrawal From the World (Post, Aug. 18, 2004) • Staying Out Of Cell **** (Post, Aug. 18, 2004) • Ignoring History In Iraq (Post, Aug. 18, 2004) • No Debating a Sense of Duty (Post, Aug. 18, 2004) • Why Can't Ex-Felons Vote? (Post, Aug. 18, 2004) _____What's Your Opinion?_____ • Share Your Views About Editorials and Opinion Pieces on Our Message Boards • About Message Boards _____Message Boards_____ • Post Your Comments _____Free E-mail Newsletters_____ • News Headlines • News Alert In our long-ago time, we went to war reluctantly against an unknown enemy in an unknown land. But, we went. The conditions were harsh. The fighting -- pre-instant TV -- was ferocious at the front and mostly unseen at home. When we came back, no one particularly cared, and only one film ("Pork Chop Hill") and a handful of books remain to mark our passing. That and a free South Korea. We weren't noticeably upset at men who deferred service and went to college (except those who stole our girls). We didn't come home with rows of medals -- although many of us came home with injuries that still warn us of changes in the weather. We didn't do any complaining. We just came home and got on with our lives. Why did we go? Why did we allow our young bodies and our young psyches to be subjected to a war so forgotten that even today it has not been mentioned by either candidate, both of whom failed to notice the anniversary of its June beginning and July ending? I believe it was because we knew that we should. Some of us enlisted as regular Army infantry privates and later became combat officers because other men of the "greatest generation" had done it and we should too. It is a young man's reaction to a sense of responsibility and duty, done without much forethought. That, I believe, is the key ingredient in John Kerry's service in Vietnam -- and why both campaigns should drop this contrived issue. He did not have to go -- because he had been. His tour on a destroyer was overseas time enough. But he went to the boats because other young men were there. The men and the boats had a mission -- and he commanded, because he could. That is enough for me. I couldn't care less whether he received a medal. The rest of it is frosting. There is no honor in this debate for our country. We need to know whether a man can save the economy and slow terrorism, not listen to harangues about who was a shooter and who was a dodger. Most of the real heroics are performed by young kids and young officers who just accept it as a cost of doing business in the peculiar exchange that is a combat battleground. The whole place -- and it does not matter which war we describe -- is one of fear, noise, smoke, confusion and a strange comradeship where you might risk your life for someone you will never see again. I don't know what the expression is in the Navy, but the Army's bittersweet joke is that the two most dangerous words in the English language are "follow me." It takes courage to utter those words and to follow that command -- something any veteran of any combat will recognize. It is time for some of us older veterans to take one last stand and call on both parties to drop this base and meaningless debate. At the end of the day, and the end of the battle, medals are just symbols. And the bravery of thousands of our soldiers has passed into history unheralded by stars and ribbons. By engaging in mudslinging over this issue, both campaigns undermine the bravery and honor of all who serve in times of war and peace. And they distract us from the real issues of this election. John Kerry heard the siren song of his moment -- that fragile call on the wind that is the call to the colors. He went. He came back. I give him credit for that. If he threw some ribbons over the fence, he's welcome to mine. They lie quietly in a desk drawer, entombed with memories of better men who lie in the dirt of faraway fields, where there really is no glory, but where courage and compassion came with the C-rations. They believed ours was a great country, one that fought not for conquest or for gain but because freedom isn't free and someone has to pay for it. The bill comes due again in this election. Let's hope these two candidates don't leave us paupers. The writer, a Washington businessman, was a combat infantryman in Korea and a war correspondent in Vietnam. He served as a presidential commissioner on the Korean War Memorial advisory panel. 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