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Old 07-08-2004, 07:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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First of all, I just want to say this message is not to attack any member of this site. I am seriously confused as to why some people on this board are so defensive against sunless/ spray tanning . I decided to join this site because I wanted to learn both about UV Tanning and UV Free tanning and possibly contribute anything that I might know. I am, honestly, weary of making any post for fear that I might be , as one member put it CENSORED, DEGRADED, MADE TO LOOK THE FOOL, ETC. I was under the assumption that message boards were for discussing topics. I made a post the other day and there was a rebuttal. Unfortunately, for me, it was locked after the person said what she had to say. I don't know why, and am left thinking that this person just wanted the last word (again not to offend that person, these were just my thoughts)I don't want to bash UV Tanning, and if there is a safe way of tanning this way, I would like to know so that, if I come across anyone that does UV tan, I can try to help educate them. It seems that there are long time members here that are very anti- sunless. I don't understand why there is any information on this site about sunless tanning, since it seems that the majority are so defensive against it. Since I am stating this in all honesty, without any sarcasm, I would appreciate any replies to be the same. So, in closure, can anyone explain to me why some of the people here are so defensive and rude to people that are just trying to figure things out without trying to be ridiculed?

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Where were you moderated? I'd like to read it and see what happened and why.

Just by the tone of your post it's easy to see you are not a UV tanning fan. "and if there is a safe way of tanning this way, I would like to know so that, if I come across anyone that does UV tan, I can try to help educate them." From that I will assume that you advertise/endorse/encourage/promote/recommend sunless "tanning" using the scare tactics usually associated with UV exposure. It is my understanding that this site started out of the popularity of UV tanning and therefore, even though there is a sunless forum (which I requested in fact) you people are invading our territory. As UV tanning providers (respectable/honourable) we not only provide a cosemedic service, but educate people on the proper way to introduce and live with UVR in our daily lives. Sunless? Most, from what I have seen, are on the scare bandwagon and deserve to be berated on this site. And that my fine feathered friend is why I look down upon sunless providers.
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Old 07-08-2004, 07:19 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Chrstie, There are some questions still not answerd about some safty issues on suless sprays.
But the biggest reason salons with beds are so digusted are with the operators of spray salons is because of there
poor judgement in advertising. YOU DO NOT NOCK A NEVER BUSINESS FOR YOUR PROFIT.
And lot of you are. I am not saying you yourself,I dont know how you personally advertise.
But the people in my town with spray practically say were trying to purposely kill people. I take large offence to that.
Ther are lots of ways to promote your trade without kicking the other guy.
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Well said...........
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I can only assume you are talking about the 'calling out Blue Island Tan' Topic that was not 'closed' by ME cause I am not a moderator here nor (if you know anything about me at all) a big fan of censorship, deletions or closing off topics....

But I would like to respond to your heart felt post with one of my own.

What you MAY NOT have been aware of is the FACT that Blue Idiot Tan came to this board for the EXPRESS PURPOSE to call us CANCER givers and KILLERS..... the fact that she is so ignornant about her own business is bone chilling---- she is the WORST type of idiot because she is in contact with the general public.

There are MANY salon owners and vendors in this industry that do not view Sunless Tanning as a complimentary service.... I am sure you have been to Sunless.com and seen the heresay posted there about UV tanning and Sunlight.

While I can discuss the abilities of DHA to ENHANCE the look of a tan - - -

it simply is NOT a TAN.

Sorry...

If I spill coffee on my chest - - my boobs don't become coffee beans (however, on a cold day - may simulate coffee beans )

To MANY salon owners - the services WE provide are not done at HUGE PROFITS to our coffers..... and YEARLY, we struggle against ANTI-TAN and our own industry 'peers' that are barely above the 'sub-human' catagory.

For Blue idiot to have her *** handed to her is not an issue that YOU should take to YOUR HEART unless you feel as she does;

that we are killing people with our services
that we are worse than aids patients willfully infecting the world
thatSHE KNOWS the FACTS about DHA - (cause baby, she don't.... she is stupider then a box of rocks)
or that sunless only salons should feel comfortable bashing UV salon owners in their own home so to speak.

I will gladly discuss sunless technology with you.....

Start another thread where the ATTACKS against UV are not present and you will find I am a gabby person altogether.

As far as looking the 'fool' ..... one can only do that to themselves.

If you are as equally willing to discuss all aspects of this industry - I'll be bopping in from time to time.....

(it pi**sses off Chunn when I do so )
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Old 07-08-2004, 09:45 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Thanks so much for these responses, this makes me feel much more at ease. I do just want to say that, for te record, I am not ANTI UV, nor have I ever stated anything of this nature to anyone that I know. I myself have tanned in the past and have chosen not to do so, as skin cancer is in my genes. I understand that DHA "tanning" is not something that will protect me from sunburns (as a good base tan should (am I correct on this?), or the effects of the sun. I understand the UV Tanning is NOT the sole source for skin cancer, and have never stated otherwise. I will not "veer" a person to think think poorly upon either DHA "enhancing" OR UV Tanning, just provide them with the facts as they become readily available to me, and hope that the people make a decision that is right for them. I do not think that anyone would own/run a tanning salon for the purpose of "killing people" I understand that there are risks that are unknown about DHA and the human organs and for my clients, they will understand as well. I kind of got the impression, but didn't read the original post, that the other member had said something offensive. The only reason that I posted on that particular topic was to point out that people sometimes are affected by first impressions, and that some of the language was offensive and unprofessional. I understand that some ppl have chosen these forums as a place to have fun, and relax, but, ppl also come here to find information. And while yes, I would rather speak with someone who actually knows what they are talking about, I would also want them to sound professional, as you all have in the posts on this thread. I appreciate that you all answered me in a kind manner, looking forward to learning from you.
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Chrstie - I hope you weren't offended by my comments on the Tan in the Can topic. Just having a little fun. I did offer the sunless air spray for a while, and although it did produce a nice color, it IMHO is still too new to know all the effects of DHA and what it can cause. I sold it to a salon in another town and will refer people that call about it. I did have an article on it and if I come across it again I'll post it. I personnally prefer the tanning bed, but we all have our preferences.

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I wasn't offended at all, missfit:) thanks though! I am not at all against having fun, I just didn't quite understand the name calling, etc.
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Christie, some of us are working on hour 50 and it aint even friday and we gotta read people calling us killers so their $300 spray tan gimmic can make them $35/disappointment. (nevermind the run-on sentences)
You'll soon become a hater (some satire) but a hater you will become.

Here's some late breaking news.

Client comes in from after a month.
She stoped to have a mole (freckle, mutant, but a freckle) checked out. She goes back to her (skin) doctor to find out what's wrong with her skin. Super adult acne type stuff. He asks her the last time she went into the tanning booth. 1 month ago. His "suggestion"? Once a week till she's used to the light. Then twice a week. Her mouth hit the floor (according to her).

He told her TO STAY AWAY FROM THE SPRAY.

That's the second person in 2 weeks to tell me this.
Hear me Christie? The DOCTOR (the other was for SAD) told her that going in the spray booth will cause her to break out. In the real world that translates into DO NOT USE THE SPRAY BOOTH. That's not good and it's eventually gunna keep you up at night. Don't matter though. Everyone's gunna say whatever the other person has sucks and that's the way it'll always be. Basically because we are all battleing for the same dollar (it seems) so the hate'n begins.

Breeze's DHA is the best!
Screw you!!! Stylz is the best!
I'll kill you you orange streaky *******!!!

Basically how it all starts. (oh yeah, lack of sleep doesn't help the cause)
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In all fairness Engfant - we cannot support only MDs that AGREE with US....

How lovely to have the PROVEN FACTS at hand - so we ALL could proceed with an easy mind.

But it is very true that many in the medical profession do not Agree with the ANTI -TAN message of Sunscare and many advice patients to avoid DHA sunless sprays.... there are usually a variety of reasons =- but for the clinic located next door to me, it is the consensus that the lack of testing and the overabundence of hype are enough for them to feel it is unwise.

Even as a topical Drug to cosmetically correct a problem with pigment - - - it was never DREAMED at the time of approval that people would use DHA full body (except for maybe actors in hollywood for a role) and they never IMAGINED a time when we would be hosing down the body like a car in the CarWash....

Even the Wheel is still evolving - - - and Bridgstone is still paying on the lawsuits

We can't make educated decisions when the information we are given is agenda driven bullsh*t.

the UV Indoor Tanning Industry is as much at fault then the Anti-Tan folk.

Best idea would be to read ALL sides - - - - take what makes SENSE to your heart and your mind.... can't expect humans to do better than that.
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