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Old 12-04-2001, 04:24 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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I am a salon owner and I come to these boards to get information from other salon owners & people in the industry. I don't belive Bronze star or anyone else who just a tanner should be given the position of a moterator. Nor should the board be sensored by these people. All the topics by soakinuptherays have been locked and no responses are allowed.

As a owner I think this board is not going to help me unless EVERYONE is allowed to discuss what they want. It is Soakin...'s information to share and only he can put a stop to it.

As a new user to the forum I am NOT impressed one bit by the moterators behavor.

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Old 12-04-2001, 06:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Then you misunderstand the purpose of this discussion board. The purpose is to talk about tanning, tanning related issues, salon ownership, new salon advice, industry issues... etc. It is not a public forum for discussing private greivances between someone and their contracted employee.

I said all I need to say to Greg on the day we terminated our contract. He knows how I view him and it is nobody else's business what he was like to work for or the nature of our arrangement. My personal views of his company are my views alone. The personal, private information I aquired while working for SUR, inc. will remain such. If Greg wishes to destroy his own reputation by breaking that bond then it is his choice to do so. I will not be responsible for the repercussions of his own actions and as a result of any mismanagement or personality traits of his.

I am glad that you are taking the steps to a well informed salon owner. I wish more owners in my area did the same. Whether I am a salon owner, worker, work in the industry or just a tanner is also a dead issue. Since August I have decided to never reveal my status with any salon... and as a regular reader of the boards I'm sure you will know why. But I'm guessing since you are not a regular contributor to this board, then you must be elsewhere. I am cautious to speculate on the motivation for making this issue your first post... doesn't have quite such an honorable ring to it. My guess is, this will be the only issue you will ever wish to discuss here.

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Old 12-04-2001, 06:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Your comment" this is Soakin information to share" is totally correct. If you need to know the rest of the story or other details,that he is willing to share we encourage you to email him(Greg).
This is a tanning forum, not a gossip column. We are here to discuss tanning, and not what people do away from this forum.

As for Bronze Star, she did not lock this topic or post. All moderators discussed this, and decided together that this topic is not appropriate for this forum. We at Tan Talk are not going to get in a pi--ing match, nor are we going to allow one to go on in this forum.

I am very sorry if you think that information here is censered. It is not. Like I said, this discuss doesn't having anything to do with the tanning industry. This was a personel matter between employer and employee.

As for Bronze Star, mame, you don't need to own a salon to know about or educate about tanning. Their are hundreds of people out there that don't own a salon, but have managed and been in the tanning business for along time. Just because you buy a salon, doesn't mean you know anything about tanning. There are alot of owners that have no idea about tanning, they have managers that do that. And those managers are very well educated in tanning. I really don't want to go into this, but Bronze has had extensive training and education in the tanning industry. She has been in charge of a tanning salon and is so respected in the tanning industry that she is asked to write articles for Tanning Trends Magazine.
If you are looking for gossip, and not facts about tanning, then you are correct. this probable is not your tanning forum
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Old 12-05-2001, 09:28 AM   #4 (permalink)
 
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Hey go easy on that new person!
They have a right to ask such questions.
Your response shows that it still hurts and you are a bit "bitter" still.
"But are you bitter?"

"any mismanagement or personality traits of his."............. this just keeps the crap going.
How about a group hug?

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LOL Chippp...
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Old 12-05-2001, 12:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Let me explain why I am so furious at Laurie.

She choose to make this “public” by involving the TanTalk moderators in the moderator
forum and making phone calls to other moderators that are on other tanning boards. Many
of those moderators are Soakin’ Up The Rays, Inc. customers or prospective customers.
Under the guise of seeking their “advice” she told them only her side of this story.

I have personally spoken with two of them, both said after hearing her story abut me and
my comapny. It caused them to rethink if they should be doing business with my
company. After I explained the situation telling them, my side of the story then they
realized that I as the one that was wronged not Laurie. They decide that they both should
keep ordering from me.

You asked why this is now public, because I was not given the ability to defend myself
privately. I did not know how many people Laurie had sought “advice “ from and how
many of those many have decided based on her side of the story may not do business with
me.

I was forced to defend myself publicly by posting it on every board because she did not
confine her activities to just TanTalk.

She knows how I view her and it is nobody else's business what she was like to work for
or the nature of our arrangement. My personal views of her and her personal/professional
lifestyle are my views alone. The personal, private information I acquired while she
worked for SUR, inc. will remain such. If Laurie wishes to destroy her own reputation by
breaking that bond then it is her choice to do so. I will not be responsible for the
repercussions of her own actions and as a result of any mismanagement or personality
traits of hers.
The root of the problem is she still has my confiendial information and records, I have
clearly demonstrated that I am under no legal obligation to pay her any severance of any
kind. So she should return my information immediately.
I have offered to pay her phone expenses during the period of her employment with
Soakin’ Up The Rays, Inc. after I have had the ability to judge for myself the amount of
those call.
She was paid in full for every day she worked for Soakin’ Up The Rays, Inc. plus she
received an advance for Nashville trade show expenses of $400. She has failed to provide
me with any recites to justify that advance.
At this point, she has $400 extra of my money as well as my confiendtial information.

What can I do aginst her blackmail and lies?







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Old 12-05-2001, 07:27 PM   #7 (permalink)
 
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As for bronze star ...... Don't you think this issue is "tanning, tanning related issues, salon ownership, new salon advice, industry issues... etc. " (as you put it) You have stolen this mans company information I think that makes it something to discuss what if some other guy out there hired you and you did the same thing I wouldn't want you working for me you might sell my tanners personal information. Here is another quote of yours "I am cautious to speculate on the motivation for making this issue your first post... doesn't have quite such an honorable ring to it. My guess is, this will be the only issue you will ever wish to discuss here." I don't think you have any room to talk about being honorable. This was my first post because of reading the posts from Soakinuptherays and hear what you have done was an outrage and think I have the right to comment on it. I have only been reading theses posts for a month now and Tantalk has some good posts to read and I will continue to read them. And if I feel moved to comment I will.

Now for Chris's post .... It did go unnoticed by me that my post and this thread disappeared today for a while. Did you moderators move it to your "moderators den" to discuss and decide it made you look bad to take it away? and no I am not "looking for gossip". I just felt I should voice my opinion on what was done to this man. All of you need to get off your high horse and let someone speak for themselves. If YOU don't like it don't read it.

And thank you Chippp I do have the right to ask a question!
P.S. Greg sue the stew out of her if she refuses to give the info back!

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Bronze - why are you holding on to his property? You're looking like a royal snake in the grass, not just to me, but a whole lot of readers can't figure out why you hesitate. Soakin' seems to be making quite a case against you, and you just deflect rather than explain. Your credibility seems only to hold up here for a few of your staunchest defenders. Your behavior is a study in how not to behave (and who not to hire...)
And defenders....why do you condone stealing, which is exactly what's been done? If I came into your salon and ripped you for your lotion or had your employees tan me for free, you'd have my a$$ in a sling, yes?
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