How To Eat An Elephant: The NAC Revisited By Ask Don! - Page 2

Rayztanning · 05-20-2002, 02:30 PM

Don wrote: Quote:The "idea" of making a "paradigm shift" in the NAC from advertising to consumers to "focusing" on the media was shown last night to have merit. It's too bad the "technical problems" prohibited a "discussion" last night.

IMMEDIATELY after he "heard" it on the TanTalk Sunday Night Super Chat, Bruce went over to his website "chat" and presented my idea AS IF IT WAS HIS! LOL

Don, we have been on the record as STARTING the NAC in media centers for LONG time, in fact, it was ALWAYS part of the TanToday effort to use the media placement initially IN media markets to reach those who are opinion makers, in turn they might 'notice' and give us more than the paid coverage.

PROOF of this is on the record, take a look at the Powerpoint presentation to the ITA we did three months ago, specifically slide NUMBER 22, and the letter sent to Humiston with the presentation further detailed using the media in selected cities where the media LEADERS are.

So, far from copying YOUR brainstorm, we were way ahead on this one, we WILL graciously allow you to follow step, as this approach works great, eating Elephants or even just a Burrito.

Warning, if you don't have a FAST internet connection, load times are LONG.

TanToday NAC Submission To the ITA Executive Board - Click HERE

Sheila in Minnesota · 05-20-2002, 08:19 PM

Daylight is wasting Don . . . .

are you really counting that slowly????

even my horns don't take that long to put back in

S

Don Smith · 05-20-2002, 08:49 PM

Sheila/Bruce:

It got TOTALLY lost in your manifesto. Why? Because it was a VERY small "tail" on your "go to the consumer" dog.

Moreover, it is the "execution" that counts!

Stand back and watch us "execute" while you are still dreaming!

Don

Sheila in Minnesota · 05-21-2002, 12:24 AM

Quote:
On 2002-05-20 19:49, Don Smith wrote:
Sheila/Bruce:

It got TOTALLY lost in your manifesto. Why? Because it was a VERY small "tail" on your "go to the consumer" dog.

Moreover, it is the "execution" that counts!

Stand back and watch us "execute" while you are still dreaming!

Don

how can one so Brilliant be so socially inept????

I resent your response in more ways than one - -

you assume too much if you assume that the rest of the world is WRONG on helping this industy . . .

Your Biography will be short indeed if you keep repeating the SAME mistakes.

and for those that may be confused - - this is a post from someone that loves this man . . . . f/w/i/w

S

Don Smith · 05-21-2002, 05:05 AM

Sheila:

So much "venom" just because I have the termidity to disagree with you and your group on the "best way" to help resolve the "image problem" of the indoor tanning industry?

What if I am right?

What if you folks are wrong?

What if we are both right?

What if we are both wrong?

Why don't you just ignore "Ask Don" and wish him well?

Could it be that you need me and my "data bank" to provide the scientific information that is required that has your collective panties in a wad?

Who said I wouldn't provide this requred scientific information to you and your group even though I don't choose to "join" you?

Wondering.

Don

Sheila in Minnesota · 05-21-2002, 12:41 PM

Yes Don -

What if we are both right?

What if we are both wrong?

I believe I have been pretty clear on my opinion that WE are BOTH right & that you are the only one that WANTS to have US segregated . . . and that would make us BOTH WRONG.

You think that was venom???

You have forgotten just how potent this chickster can be ~ I have been on my BEST behavior, and only because I do love you. .

You want to hide your "answers" from the rest of US . . . that’s okay love . . . you are not the only one that has gleaned the good of what UVR can do for the human body and spirit . . ..

And just checked the status of my panties . . Apparently, you need to wear some in order for them to get in a bunch.

I am all about - cutting to the chase love.

I do wish you well - - - but I will not ignore you and move on (as I am assuming your little smack was meant to achieve) . . . My need for helping the industry far out weighs my ego or your slights to it.

Still loving your crabby ol' self ~

~ ~ Sheila ~ ~

BIG · 05-22-2002, 06:41 PM

Your're all wrong.

The National Ad Campaign was my idea

Circa 1989 or 1990 per an ad that T.A.N.S. ran in Tanning Trends, with Matt Russels Blessing.

The industry was about as willing to pay for it then as they are now.

Sad.

[ This Message was edited by: BIG on 2002-05-22 17:45 ]

BIG · 05-22-2002, 06:46 PM

Contents of this post was removed during conversion.

Sheila in Minnesota · 05-22-2002, 08:15 PM

Hey Big . . . When did Matt Russell become the pope???

Just goes to show you - - - Blessings are cheeeeeeep . . .

Show me the Money!!!!

so, are you going to help out with this or what?

Right now there is a Unity in the Community program with BigDog.com - - - only a very small piece of the puzzle for getting some ching for a NAC . . . .

Alot of room for more worker bees . . . we are recuiting smart people that chew elephant with their mouths closed

Sheila

MJ · 05-23-2002, 12:12 AM

Hello everyone....
Can I say something???? (like that has EVER stopped me before if someone answered NO.. )

It real makes no difference to me when, where, or WHO concieved the idea of the NAC... as long as it is a live health birth... that has 10 fingers and 10 toes...is all that is important!!

It appears the great debate is surounding the way in which the NAC is launched.. lets get to the real issues please.
As for Big... proper table manner required...
please pull up a chair and do not forget to use your napkin!!!

Supporters of our industry and the NAC with questions, suggestions, and ideas wanted!!! To apply for the postion please fill out this form... www.ourbigdog.com

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