solarmeter

Robbie,

I have noticed end-caps get better traffic in general: around here Blockbusters and Sear's Hardware occupy many of them. SH has struggled some, but is coming back well lately after some consolidation.

Jesus - 'enormous roll-up' and 'going public' ! If nothing else, that'll keep me reading these threads, wherever they are.

The so-called venture capitalists, having woken up from the 'someday I'll make money' dismal failures, are actually looking for real companies to take into IPO's as growth potentials now days.

Steve

fungirlz

And because what you are saying is so very true here in this thread is exactly why it is important that we maintain "hands on"with our clients.
Go the extra mile for the client. Take time to find out what their goal is and how you can help them reach their desired goal in the service area the are seeking you out for.
Call them by name when they walk in the front door.
We say amagin the person has a neon sign flashing on their forehead that says "make me feel important".

Independant salons can create a one on one atmosphere.
Look at Super Cuts.. Big turn over of staff..
but if you look here in our area at Brandons
Hair Den you have to wait a month for an appointment.
Only the finest products are sold there..
Super Cuts offer the same stuff Target has.
Super Cuts 12.00 for a cut.. Brandons 40.00 and up..

Lots of people will pay for "special care"..
This is what I think. That's the direction we are in..

Chris

Don Smith

Robbie:

Here's what I said on another thread.

Robbie:

I am not interested in entering into a dialog with you that is, IMHO, designed to "spam" your franchising efforts.

IF, on the other hand, you want to discuss substantive issues (like "Amendment 3 - Definition of a Manufacturer", please let me know.

Sheila/Robbie:

IF I have to "splain" to the two of you why clients SHOULD NOT be part of SAE, Smart Tan, ITA, TSO, etc., then I have GREATLY overestimated both of your I.Q.'s! Some things, folks, DO NOT require exlanation if you have an ounce of common sense.

IF you feel that a "Tanning Salon Client" TSC) organization would be beneficial, you should by all means start one.

It would be appreciated by "Ask Don" if the two of you would resolve to focus on issues of importance like "Amendment 3 - Definition of a Manufacturer and the Canadian crisis and quit arguing for the sake of arguing.

Don

Sheila in Minnesota

~~~~ DON ~

How unlike you!! To refuse to allow discussion based upon a 'spam' issue??

Or is it that a paid banner gets that benefit (the right to spam on posts)? Goo gods and Goo demigods only?

I did discuss this issue with Bruce this morning too . . . I remember my special boy FabuFriend being battered to Spill his Guts on the glories of Franchising . . . he refused to share with the kiddies and was made to seem - some how lacking for his stance.

Now - granted . . . Robbie may have some motivation here - - - but you cannot deny the educational value for everyone in the industry to see the wheels turning here . . .

Are you implying that if we do not follow orders on Amendment 3 - - - that I do not get to play with you????

I bring my own toys to the game Don . . .

I gladly support your needs and agenda . . but I won't be bullied into role playing - ohtay?

Your shout out for help on Amendment 3 - -done (and a bit of spammage on toast for you love) and again, what ever will help you - will obviously help salon owner and the industry . . .

Please don’t make a move towards separate goals. That would be so counter productive and you can actually rally the forces - - you just need to be careful not to bury your self under the load.

This is going to be a day - - - isn't it?


Sheila

Don Smith

Sheila:

Let's get down to specifics (now that you have "vented" your spleen).

Are you recommending that EVERYONE support ITA and "do away" with all other organizations?

Don

Robbie

Don,

If you don’t want to talk about my model, don’t!

You brought me into this when out of nowhere, you posted: Quote: it is becomming increasingly obvious (to me at least) that your business model is "predatory" in nature and, like Walmart, many small tanning salon owners will be destroyed in order for you to succeed.
I hadn’t even responded when in you next post you added: Quote: this statement is at the "heart" of the, IMHO, "mistake" being made by the business "models" like Robbies.

They are trying to use "product" strategies in a "service" industry and, long term, they just won't succeed. Am I not supposed to respond to this DONSENSE? Your trite analysis is way off and in my response I did my best to point out your error, its source, and defend my businesses reputation in the process. I even dropped a “nugget” of what lies ahead.

You now berate for this and accuse me of spamming. Your snide shots at my model will not slip by uncontested. There are others on these boards who don’t know you like I do. They are unfamiliar with your lack of business sense and Marxist base.

Some think, that just because you can handle yourself in the scientific arena, that you are qualified to post here. You are not. Your constant appeal for pledges for your financially failed TSO indicate the worth of your business accumen.

You are right to want to avoid this topic with me. You know you are on unsteady ground and hence your plea to play in the science corner. I will respect your wishes and post in your Amendment 3 section as this is an area, that while you are often wrong, you at least have a basis for an opinion.

Please do not refer to my model and certainly not in Marxist terms. Otherwise I will demonstrate the meaning of the term PREDATORY “literally”.

Robbie
[ This Message was edited by: Robbie on 2002-05-16 18:50 ]

Don Smith

Robbie:

Your post shows clearly why you wear out your "on-line welcome" very quickly. It has to be either "your way or the highway" in these discussions and when the going gets tough regarding the facts, you resort to personal attacks and threats.

I'll comment on some of the things you said:

1. "They are unfamiliar with (A) your lack of business sense and (B) Marxist base."

(A) How could I have had a productive and profitable long-term business career if I had no business sense? Just lucky and in the right place at the right time I guess.

(B) I served my country (U.S. Army) and I am the farthest that you can get from being a Marxist. It is gratuitous insults like this that cause you credibility problems.

2. Some think, that just because you can handle yourself in the scientific arena, that you are qualified to post here. You are not.

(2) Anyone who doesn't like what I post here (yourself included) can avoid this forum. That's the beauty of the internet. I won't lose any sleep over your opinion.

3. Your constant appeal for pledges for your financially failed TSO indicate the worth of your business accumen.

(3) Another gratuitous insult.

4. You are right to want to avoid this topic with me.

(4) I have answered your questions Robbie, the problem is that you didn't like my answers.

5. Please do not refer to my model and certainly not in Marxist terms. Otherwise I will demonstrate the meaning of the term PREDATORY “literally”.

(5) I take that as a "direct threat" that you will come to Tucson and try to run us out of business. Is that what you mean when you say you will "literally" "demonstrate the meaning of the term PREDATORY?" If you do come to Tucson and try to destroy our business with your business tactics, will that make you happy? Will that make your life complete? How many lives do you have to ruin before you consider yourself successful?

I have repeatedly said that I don't suffer fools gladly. Keep in mind that I also do not condone bullies.

You are most certainly not a fool, Robbie, but I am begining to wonder more and more about your "bully boy" tendencies. IMHO, your "attack dog" tactics are not very appealing nor conducive to productive and enlightening discussions.

Our "discussion" started out productively and have ended in acrimony, so let's end them now.

Don

Robbie

With another of your misinterpretations? “Literally” was a reference to the “literal” method, as in writing, as in my ability to PREY on you on these boards. Way over your head it seems. I’ll try to keep my insults simple.

Your Marxist base is evidenced with your “level the playing field”, unearned “advantages” of big business over the little guy, “PREDATORY” approaches to business—which are all clearly Marxist themes. Your military experience is not evidence that you have not absorbed these Marxist themes, so prevalent in today’s culture. I judge you by your words.

The financial failings of TSO while accurate, was a little below the belt. My apologies. I am unaware of the success of your salons, and would be interested to be proved wrong. How are they doing?

I, like you, can get a little snippety when attacked. You came out against my model long before I posted back. Please re-read my closing line regarding predatory “literally”. (It was actually very clever, handing you back your own word. Knowing that you didn’t get it, makes it all the more clever).

I have no intention of doing anything in Tuscon and as I have posted over and over to you, I never ever conduct business for the motives you suggest! (and as you know, I certainly wish you no harm).

As to wearing out my on-line welcome…we’ll see.

Robbie

Robbie

And another thing Don, as for answering my questions, you wrote: Quote: Sheila/Robbie:

IF I have to "splain" to the two of you why clients SHOULD NOT be part of SAE, Smart Tan, ITA, TSO, etc., then I have GREATLY overestimated both of your I.Q.'s! Some things, folks, DO NOT require exlanation if you have an ounce of common sense.



Thanks for such the succinct answer and refraining from personal insult.

Robbie

P.S. How about a real answer? How about the “conflicts” I asked for? I know I’m in the ASK DON section. Where is the DON ANSWERS section?

Sheila in Minnesota

Don Quote:Sheila:

Let's get down to specifics (now that you have "vented" your spleen).

Are you recommending that EVERYONE support ITA and "do away" with all other organizations?


I will not further confuse this debate responding to this - - as it belongs on the ITA Bashing thread ~ ok?

but. . . . . . . .

you know that is NOT what I am supporting.


S