High Pressure Beds the Saviour?

[tocarol]

[quote][but if this thing hasn't been tested, it CAN'T be certified to even be installed in a salon can it?
/QUOTE]

I honestly don't know and certainly don't wish to be accused of slandering the company in anyway. I can only speak to what I know to be true. I was told it was tested but have no idea what the criteria is for same.

Why not just contact the company and ask? I wasn't there long enough to be privy to that kind of information. I can't imagine that they wouldn't have tested it *somewhere* ...can you? After all, the developer is *technically* a smart guy.

[Chido6d]

My theory is...the HP bring in 3 times the revenue per session, but the beds certainly cost 3 times as much as, say a 42 lamp bed with facials. Seems to balance out. Any thoughts?

[TomorrowSun]

the HP bring in 3 times the revenue per session, but the beds certainly cost 3 times as much

Lets look at a senario:

Most HP beds cost around $40K and offer between a 12 min and 15 min session.
A decent 40-45 lamp Low Pressure beds cost between $13000-$20000 for a 15 min bed. Depends on the make.

Dropin on HP $35
Drop in on VHR $15

So if both tan in 15 min you will get approx. 30 tans at most per day. so we will go with 20 for more realistic numbers.

With HP, you need 3-5 sessions to get taned and 2-3 per month to maintain.
With VHR, you need 7 - 10 sessions to get tanned and 2 per week to maintain.

You get more DIFFERENT people through your door with HP than you do with VHR because they get their color fastger and hold their color longer.

So you got approx. 100 different people coming through your door using HP at $35 per session (600 sessions doing 20 tans per day and 30 days in a month). 600 x 35=$21000
You would only get about 45 different people using VHR during the same period and at 600 sessions x $15= $9000.

With HP, you get more DIFFERENT people through your door for more $$ than you will with VHR. ANd if you know how to sell it, you can achieve those numbers very easy.

SO I would take $21000 over $9000.

[Neon Beach]

No one around here wil pay $35 a session. :(

[TomorrowSun]

Yes they will, If i can sell an ultrabronz 812 for $35 drop in, then people will pay that for a new one easy. If you give people results, they will pay for it.

[dcjjp2]

There's not alot of Mercedes dealerships in Timmins, mainly Hyundai and Kia. (No offense John)

[sport a tan]

Just because there are not Mercedes dealerships, does not mean they don't all want to drive one.

[JOHN @ URI]

Hot Stuff- Don't compare Sunless to HP.

Sunless- even the best Sunless unit sucks. The results are only as good as the person using or operating it. That is the reason for decline in price, people got a bad taste in their mouth when they turned orange once in the booth up the road, even if your unit is better they won't use it. The price drops because salon owners are desperate for people to use it before the solution goes bad.

HP- A good HP unit will no doubt give great color. Yes, some HP units suck also. HP gives results that demand higher dollars. HP has been around since the 80's & the sessions are still going for $20-$40 each depending on market. The cost to run an HP unit is a bit higher than a VHR unit so salon owners are less likely to drop the price.

Sunless was a FAD- one that is showing a slow death, much faster the past 12 months.

HP is top quality in tanning & has been since the early - mid 80's. HP is not a FAD & smart salon owners are raking in the $$$. New salons are putting 2 HP machines in & NO Sunless.

I've hated Sunless since day 1, for every positive Sunless ad on the news it bashed UV tanning, the core of all your businesses. I think Sunless tanning has done more damage to the industry than good. Who needs to walk in your salon at all when they can go to the corner pharmacy & get some sunless goo to slather all over themselves!

[dcjjp2]

I disagree with you John, Sunless is just another outlet for those that cannot achieve a tan in the sun. It is a compliment to UV tanning and should be sold as such. True, there are alot of distys and even salon owners (why, I am not sure) that would use sunless as the "safer" alternative (why bash your core business?) but there are also those that use sunless applications for additional color to a base UV tan, event tanning, of for those that Choose not to use conventional tanning methods and don't want the hassle of doing it themselves at home with an inferior product.

Just like anything, if you don't educate your clients how to so something, shame on you. With our sunless, we have them watch the vid, a staff member takes them into the room and explains the process while pointing each step out on the instruction picture in the room. Puts barrier cream on their own hands to show what it should look like and steps inside the booth and simulates what is about to happen. Same goes for the after instructions as what to do. I do it so many times per day, it's unnerving, BUT they appreciate it and most are repeat tanners with us.

Will it replace conventional tanning, **** no. But does it bring in alot of Type ones and Type twos that always longed for a tan, Sure does. It is all about the experience. If you show them a good one and give them what they came in for, they will return (that goes for any service) I have gone to places that had the highest end beds, but if the staff member is clueless, why would I return?

[engfant]

Jeff would be correct if the tanning industry DIDN'T EMBRACE IT AS A SAFE ALTERNATIVE.

That's just as PATHETIC a move as the dermatologists blaming tanning for all skin related issues.

Actually, it's ADMITTING it.

So John is right and Jeff SHOULD be right.

That's why the ITA is nothing more than an expensive logo. To say that a gas chamber is a safe alternative to anything is criminal stupidity AND/OR scandalous.

Massachusetts is the homeland for dermatology and we have to deal with assclowns posting dead body pictures all over our schools.

Where's the ITA on this?

Is my thought process going off track? Not really. You need to factor this in when you start investing $20-50K+ in products that are marketing NIGHTMARES and have hidden agendas.

Don't invest in that!

Bottom line, Sunless SHOULD be a good complement to UV tanning but it was brought to the market under false pretences and in an attempt to make big money based on phony scare tactics.

Industry is in the toilet ever since.