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Ageless Fitness · 12-12-2008, 04:43 PM

I'm opening up a fitness center. It has two Tanses 100 watt beds, 3 treadmills, 2 ellipticals, an infrared sauna, and 3 televisions. It's roughly a 3000 square foot area. How many amps should I increase it to? It's a 3 phase/100amp now. About how much would it cost?

unity · 12-12-2008, 05:29 PM

Sure its not 200 amp? I thought 3 phase came in 200, 400, 600 etc amps.

tans4u · 12-13-2008, 08:19 PM

You would need to provide the running amp draw on all the equipment in order to estimate the electrical needed. The cost for the additional electrical would depend on a number of factors including code requirements, local labor rates and the length the electrician would have to run the wire for the additional service. Sorry, but there is no set amount that a 200 amp or 400 amp service should cost. Don't forget to factor in other items such as HVAC, lighting, washer, dryer, etc. in your electrical needs. You mentioned additional HVAC, how may tons do you currently have?

Ageless Fitness · 12-14-2008, 11:22 AM

Thanks for the help... I appreciate it.

You're right. It's 200 amp. I'm checking into the AC now. I'm probably just going to purchase a new unit. how many tons do you recommend? I'm estimating about $1500 to bump it up to 300 amp.

Lucky for me, the previous owner of the building is an electrician. So, he's already agreed to help at little or no cost, which is a huge cost savings.

unity · 12-14-2008, 12:00 PM

$1,500 to bump up to 300 amp? Last bill I saw for a service upgrade was $8,000.00. It depends what the building has though. If the building has the capacity but its just service to your area that needs an upgrade then yes, it will cost less. But even then there is a chance it will run a pretty penny. It depends on the run and a lot of other factors.

movieking · 12-14-2008, 12:26 PM

$8000 is alot. I'm upgrading one of my 200A single phase services to 400A. My electician said it will cost me no more than $1500. That is to change the meter base and install an additional 200A panel inside.

unity · 12-14-2008, 01:32 PM

The $8k is for a building upgrade. So lines to building and all, thats why. If its a strip mall environment then ya, it will be less probably.

megatanman · 12-26-2008, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by movieking

$8000 is alot. I'm upgrading one of my 200A single phase services to 400A. My electician said it will cost me no more than $1500. That is to change the meter base and install an additional 200A panel inside.

It costed us approx 9K for the extra 200 amp panel and a 5 ton ac installed....but we got away with what we had for years before we upgraded our VHR beds.

I have 4 ZX303F and the rooms would run close to 95 degrees during peak season with back to back sessions.

After I vented the beds into the drop celing and installed a exhast vent inside the drop celing,it dropped the temps in the room to 85 degrees running back to back sessions.Now the A/C might cycle once a day and 3-4 times a day during the busy season.Thats with 250 ppl per day and a 1300 sq ft salon space.

Excercise all of your options before investing a fortune

The sunstars were a piece of cake.about 40 bucks in material.

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splicer9 · 12-26-2008, 05:04 PM

My most successful HVAC negotiation with a landlord was a 10% decrease in rent for 12 months to compensate for the replacement of an entire rooftop and indoor furnace. They were happy to do it in fact, but only after I asked (and insisted).

Expect nothing. Be creative when you ask for stuff. You might be surprised.

12-12-2008, 04:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ageless Fitness Join Date: Dec 10 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Re: Asking the Landlord for extra Electric/HVAC I'm opening up a fitness center. It has two Tanses 100 watt beds, 3 treadmills, 2 ellipticals, an infrared sauna, and 3 televisions. It's roughly a 3000 square foot area. How many amps should I increase it to? It's a 3 phase/100amp now. About how much would it cost?

12-12-2008, 05:29 PM	#12 (permalink)
unity I vote for DERF! Join Date: Jan 6 2004 Location: Midwest-ish Posts: 4,400 Rep Power: 22	Re: Asking the Landlord for extra Electric/HVAC Sure its not 200 amp? I thought 3 phase came in 200, 400, 600 etc amps. __________________ OMG! I made a post! :)

12-13-2008, 08:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
tans4u Join Date: Sep 3 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Re: Asking the Landlord for extra Electric/HVAC You would need to provide the running amp draw on all the equipment in order to estimate the electrical needed. The cost for the additional electrical would depend on a number of factors including code requirements, local labor rates and the length the electrician would have to run the wire for the additional service. Sorry, but there is no set amount that a 200 amp or 400 amp service should cost. Don't forget to factor in other items such as HVAC, lighting, washer, dryer, etc. in your electrical needs. You mentioned additional HVAC, how may tons do you currently have?

12-14-2008, 11:22 AM	#14 (permalink)
Ageless Fitness Join Date: Dec 10 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	Re: Asking the Landlord for extra Electric/HVAC Thanks for the help... I appreciate it. You're right. It's 200 amp. I'm checking into the AC now. I'm probably just going to purchase a new unit. how many tons do you recommend? I'm estimating about $1500 to bump it up to 300 amp. Lucky for me, the previous owner of the building is an electrician. So, he's already agreed to help at little or no cost, which is a huge cost savings.

12-14-2008, 12:00 PM	#15 (permalink)
unity I vote for DERF! Join Date: Jan 6 2004 Location: Midwest-ish Posts: 4,400 Rep Power: 22	Re: Asking the Landlord for extra Electric/HVAC $1,500 to bump up to 300 amp? Last bill I saw for a service upgrade was $8,000.00. It depends what the building has though. If the building has the capacity but its just service to your area that needs an upgrade then yes, it will cost less. But even then there is a chance it will run a pretty penny. It depends on the run and a lot of other factors. __________________ OMG! I made a post! :)

12-14-2008, 12:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
movieking Team TanTalk Join Date: Aug 12 2004 Location: ITA 2004-2013 / ASA 2013 Posts: 3,444 Rep Power: 30	Re: Asking the Landlord for extra Electric/HVAC $8000 is alot. I'm upgrading one of my 200A single phase services to 400A. My electician said it will cost me no more than $1500. That is to change the meter base and install an additional 200A panel inside.

12-14-2008, 01:32 PM	#17 (permalink)
unity I vote for DERF! Join Date: Jan 6 2004 Location: Midwest-ish Posts: 4,400 Rep Power: 22	Re: Asking the Landlord for extra Electric/HVAC The $8k is for a building upgrade. So lines to building and all, thats why. If its a strip mall environment then ya, it will be less probably. __________________ OMG! I made a post! :)

12-26-2008, 05:04 PM	#19 (permalink)
splicer9 Join Date: Sep 11 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Re: Asking the Landlord for extra Electric/HVAC My most successful HVAC negotiation with a landlord was a 10% decrease in rent for 12 months to compensate for the replacement of an entire rooftop and indoor furnace. They were happy to do it in fact, but only after I asked (and insisted). Expect nothing. Be creative when you ask for stuff. You might be surprised.

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