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Old 12-24-2014, 02:46 PM   #171 (permalink)
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You are pathetic. You have resorted to personal attacks in every post now. I dont see you quitting either you hypocrite....GEEZ! Txtripple is a not a great option. They are too low on the food chain like yourself.

Yes I saw you admit texting was a great way to "keep in contact". You never admitted it is a great MARKETING medium now did you? Hmmmm.....

Still waiting for questions to be answered. Why do you refuse to answer them?

1) What is your price to send out a post card?
2) Are you a print broker or do you actually print the post cards?
My pricing is listed publicly. Like i said, I am a Marketing Company, not Kinkos. My pricing includes design, concept, marketing strategy, consulting and more...you don't get that with vista print, with them you just get cheap business cards. If someone has a print ready design and they are doing their own marketing strategies, no problem, i can print it at a reduced price if they send me their print ready files. It will be very competitive and will be better quality than most other print shops out there. But 99% of the people out there do not design their own stuff...HENCE the reason they call someone like me. Because not only do we design it and help them through the process, but my designs are geared towards their clients, their market and i know what they want before they even ask. I speak their language. 80% of my new clients are people that use the print shops because their pricing is cheap and when they ask them to design it, it's crap and they never get it right.

Feel free to ask the biggest players out there with 150+ locations, the pricing they got quoted by me is cheaper than what they are getting anywhere else. So my pricing is very competitive, depending on what you want. Even cheaper than what Papa John's printer is giving them in pricing.

So unless you know what you are talking about, which you don't, please refrain from assuming as it will only make you look silly.

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Old 12-25-2014, 11:50 AM   #172 (permalink)
 
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My pricing is listed publicly. Like i said, I am a Marketing Company, not Kinkos. No one questioned that, I just asked if you are a printer or a print broker which you still have failed to answer? My pricing includes design, concept, marketing strategy, consulting and more...you don't get that with vista print, with them you just get cheap business cards. FAULTY COMPARISON since no one compared you to them? If someone has a print ready design and they are doing their own marketing strategies, no problem, i can print Do you really print it or job it out? it at a reduced price if they send me their print ready files. It will be very competitive and will be better quality than most other print shops out there That is VERY subjective and almost any print shop can match any other print shops quality if requested But 99% of the people out there do not design their own stuff...HENCE the reason they call someone like me. Because not only do we design it and help them through the process, but my designs are geared towards their clients, their market and i know what they want before they even ask. I speak their language. 80% of my new clients are people that use the print shops because their pricing is cheap and when they ask them to design it, it's crap and they never get it right. Dude I have my own full time graphic artists so your not telling me anything I dont know BUT of course I use their talents for digital artwork mainly and not obsolete print!

Feel free to ask the biggest players out there with 150+ locations I know them all personally so I will check with them! , the pricing they got quoted by me is cheaper than what they are getting anywhere else. Its not cheaper then my cost and I still rarely do print! :) So my pricing is very competitive, depending on what you want. Even cheaper than what Papa John's printer is giving them in pricing. Papa Johns is a franchisor. They usually like to make profit off of everything and they usually have a captive audience too so another faulty comparison!

So unless you know what you are talking about, which you don't, please refrain from assuming as it will only make you look silly. Well since I did direct mail for myself and our industry for 10+ years I think you look dishonest to make such a judgement about my printing/direct mail marketing knowledge! When I do buy print it is of the highest quality and much less expensive then what is on your site. But you are arguing the wrong issue Din. Its about COST EFFECTIVENESS not COST and when we stick to that narrative Din you obviously dont know what your talking about AT ALL and you look both foolish and disingenuous! Direct mail is obsolete. Digital is it!


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Old 12-25-2014, 12:11 PM   #173 (permalink)
 
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I guess if you are lucky enough to have 300 - 400 people a day at your salon, then your $9.99 memberships will work out for you its hard to get 300-400 people a day at $79 a month. But for those that don't have that volume, perhaps they need to price it so that they make money by making it more affordable perhaps? from each person that tans with them. Unless they are Not for profit. Then they can pay people to tan with them. This last comment is ridiculous and silly!

The only reason you are even arguing against me is because you only have 1 level yourself LOL once again you ridiculous and judgmental because you just judged my MOTIVE for arguing which you cant possibly know and of course you DONT know I have way more then 1 level moron GEEZ!. Standups so if a salon has all beds do they just have on level???? How ignorant! So that is why you are arguing the point about levels and equipment, because you don't have any levels. Where do you see me argue levels and equipment????? How are they going to upgrade? Its magic din! You are stuck with one monthly fee of course your wrong again and no upgrade fee to Combo beds or HP,HP is bad for you so of course I dont over HP :) because you have none. So unless you have the setup i speak of, do not talk because you cannot relate. Din you dont have the setup you speak of now do you???? You are about as hypocritical as one can be!

And yes, i still have clients of mine that i do their marketing that still earn $300k - $500k annually with $20 PPA. So they are still out there and yes they are in Amurika*® and not i will not tell you where they are so you can go open by them. Right I will go open somewhere because you tell me someone makes a $20 PPA. How stupid and non strategic! Everywhere I go has a strategy so think of a better excuse.




But Tony, i'm sure you already knew that already because you know everything and I know nothing. Well I too am still learning but my 30 years of indoor tanning experience has taught me one thing for sure! And that is how to spot a chariatan when I see one and you sir are one!

In the end I have done my part and said my piece. I have nothing to sell anyone and you do. Its buyer beware. It benefits me if my direct competitors continue to pay $500 CPM's and stay out of the digital world. However it dosent benefit our industry which is why I even bother to speak up! In the end I really dont care that much if people do direct mail. But you sure do!

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i totally forgot about the $20 PPA. Its not a realistic number regardless of
your model. Why would Din not have any tanning salons if he knew how to
get a $20 PPA in indoor tanning?

50 clients a day x 20 x 365 = $365,000
100 clients a day x 20 x 365 = $730,000

$365,000 means you have to do $30,416 per month EVERY month!

Anyone that can do either number in a tanning salon would build
as many salons as possible. I have hit both numbers and I know
how hard it is to hit those numbers.

Who really thinks this is possible 12 months a year, 365 days a year?
If its not obvious to you then I dont know what to say!
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After an OK August, This Sept and so far this Oct. have been dissmal. I am down at least 50% or more from last year. I have been running specials, offering 1/2 price Mondays and Saturdays, Posting on Facebook and at local businesses and college. I paid the local newspaper to run a coupon for 1/2 price tanning. I didn't get one response. the newspaper salesman was shocked. I am offering 1/2 price tanning to the college students and still little business. I am one of only 2 salons in the area and the other one is much more expensive. I have good prices and good beds. Dr. Muller Sungate, Sunvitale, Solarwind 5000 and 4000.,2 SunCapsules.

I am about a month or so from closing if it doesn't pick up. The only option i have right now is to try and get the landlord to lower my rent a lot. he may be open to it since he has several other spaces that have been vacant for a year or so.

Other than that i don't know what else i can do.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated

Any updates? Closed/closing or solution found?
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Old 12-26-2014, 08:51 PM   #176 (permalink)
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Re: Close to closing! Any Ideas?

Just trolling the boards after a long absence.

To answer the original question: Close to closing! Any Ideas? -- I am out of ideas on how to keep a tanning salon from closing (that don't include diversifying, or capital investment), however; I do have a response to why people are close to closing. Please See Article >>>

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/287397.php

CDC: indoor tanning among American youth is decreasing
Between 2009 and 2013, the percentage of female high school students who engaged in indoor tanning reduced from 25.4% to 20.2%. Among non-Hispanic white female students, indoor tanning fell from 37.4% to 30.7%, while indoor tanning among non-Hispanic black male students reduced from 6.1% to 3.2%.

The team says the reductions in indoor tanning may be partly explained by increased awareness of the skin cancer risks it poses. "In 2009," they note, "the World Health Organization (WHO) classified indoor tanning devices as carcinogenic to humans, and several studies have demonstrated that indoor tanning increases the risk of skin cancer."

They also point out that between 2009 and 2013, 40 US states have implemented new laws or have strengthened existing laws in relation to indoor tanning. Of these states, 11 have banned indoor tanning for individuals under the age of 18.


Nice to see the wheel keeps on spinning -- the question, after reading that article is, how long can this wheel spin?

Hope everyone has/had a happy holiday. :)

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Just trolling the boards after a long absence.

To answer the original question: Close to closing! Any Ideas? -- I am out of ideas on how to keep a tanning salon from closing (that don't include diversifying, or capital investment), however; I do have a response to why people are close to closing. Please See Article >>>

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/287397.php

CDC: indoor tanning among American youth is decreasing
Between 2009 and 2013, the percentage of female high school students who engaged in indoor tanning reduced from 25.4% to 20.2%. Among non-Hispanic white female students, indoor tanning fell from 37.4% to 30.7%, while indoor tanning among non-Hispanic black male students reduced from 6.1% to 3.2%.

The team says the reductions in indoor tanning may be partly explained by increased awareness of the skin cancer risks it poses. "In 2009," they note, "the World Health Organization (WHO) classified indoor tanning devices as carcinogenic to humans, and several studies have demonstrated that indoor tanning increases the risk of skin cancer."

They also point out that between 2009 and 2013, 40 US states have implemented new laws or have strengthened existing laws in relation to indoor tanning. Of these states, 11 have banned indoor tanning for individuals under the age of 18.


Nice to see the wheel keeps on spinning -- the question, after reading that article is, how long can this wheel spin?

Hope everyone has/had a happy holiday. :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPnJyWhiVFQ

None of that will have any financial impact on smart salon owners, it can in some cases help salon owners make more money. I won't say why, of course. I will say, I keep making mo money mo money mo money!
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None of that will have any financial impact on smart salon owners, it can in some cases help salon owners make more money. I won't say why, of course. I will say, I keep making mo money mo money mo money!
Please Kooky.............. Turbo and I need to know !!!

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I'm willing to go out on a limb and speculate that it might help make diversified salon owners more money -- however; when your product is classified as a carcinogen (right or wrong), and your client base is dropping off -- it's a problem.

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