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Old 05-22-2014, 06:09 AM   #51 (permalink)
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OK Robert, who have you rebuked publically on this site in the last year, other than me? Defend your actions with something other than wisecracks, or apologize. That simple.
Peach -

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!

The bottom line is, you, more than almost anyone currently, seem to feel compelled to weigh in on almost every post. Repeatedly if people don't agree with your point.

Beyond that - you seem to have a "victim" mentality about the industry. Many comments about how the "rich and powerful" are favored. You seem to like to imply that anyone that is NOT running their salon like you are, is actually unethical, being "non-transparent" about their pricing. You INSIST everyone come around to your view that the industry is dead because "it isn't like it used to be" - rather than look for ways (and models) that ARE successful in today's environment. And they ARE out there!!

This is a "community". There is no charge to participate. Robert K supports this out of his money, as a SERVICE to the industry. People like me, who get paid to consult, weigh in often with FREE advice - as a SERVICE to the industry.

You have been rebuked because you have a "chilling effect" on conversations here. You make it "not fun" to jump in and participate. For you to try to "call out" Robert K - and demand he "defend his actions or apologize" - is just part of your disconnect with your role - and value - here.

You aren't the first and you won't be the last. Both subtly, and directly, by admins and others, you have been asked -- step back sometimes, and don't always try to MAKE everyone agree with you. The bottom line is - while what you are doing MAY be working for you - it really isn't a model that will work for most markets or to allow great growth. You don't BELIEVE that - but as someone that has worked in markets all over the US, small and large, with salon owners with "deep pockets" and otherwise - myself, Robert K and others (Steve Underhill, Tony - to name others you have argued with) - just have more exposure and experience on this than you.

YOUR comments about how "nobodies" like you get their chains yanked - while "big shots who may be in business with the mods do not" is MUCH more "veiled slander and innuendo" against those of us who post our names, addresses, phone numbers and DO have a "reputation" in this industry that can be harmed by those kinds of cracks!! So perhaps YOU should be the one to apologize!!

"The basic unfairness is obvious and does nothing to make others want to express their opinions on this site" is offensive and inaccurate. That said - you are free to leave at any time. If you CHOOSE to stay - then be a better "community member".
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Old 05-22-2014, 06:20 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Sunsally as usual you have a lot more patience then I do and I thank you for that.

Peach I do not have the time or will to even answer what you wrote. You are completely off base. Once again you have derailed a topic. This will not happen anymore.
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Peach -

ENOUGH ALREADY!!!!!!!

The bottom line is, you, more than almost anyone currently, seem to feel compelled to weigh in on almost every post. Repeatedly if people don't agree with your point.

Beyond that - you seem to have a "victim" mentality about the industry. Many comments about how the "rich and powerful" are favored. You seem to like to imply that anyone that is NOT running their salon like you are, is actually unethical, being "non-transparent" about their pricing. You INSIST everyone come around to your view that the industry is dead because "it isn't like it used to be" - rather than look for ways (and models) that ARE successful in today's environment. And they ARE out there!!

This is a "community". There is no charge to participate. Robert K supports this out of his money, as a SERVICE to the industry. People like me, who get paid to consult, weigh in often with FREE advice - as a SERVICE to the industry.

You have been rebuked because you have a "chilling effect" on conversations here. You make it "not fun" to jump in and participate. For you to try to "call out" Robert K - and demand he "defend his actions or apologize" - is just part of your disconnect with your role - and value - here.

You aren't the first and you won't be the last. Both subtly, and directly, by admins and others, you have been asked -- step back sometimes, and don't always try to MAKE everyone agree with you. The bottom line is - while what you are doing MAY be working for you - it really isn't a model that will work for most markets or to allow great growth. You don't BELIEVE that - but as someone that has worked in markets all over the US, small and large, with salon owners with "deep pockets" and otherwise - myself, Robert K and others (Steve Underhill, Tony - to name others you have argued with) - just have more exposure and experience on this than you.

YOUR comments about how "nobodies" like you get their chains yanked - while "big shots who may be in business with the mods do not" is MUCH more "veiled slander and innuendo" against those of us who post our names, addresses, phone numbers and DO have a "reputation" in this industry that can be harmed by those kinds of cracks!! So perhaps YOU should be the one to apologize!!

"The basic unfairness is obvious and does nothing to make others want to express their opinions on this site" is offensive and inaccurate. That said - you are free to leave at any time. If you CHOOSE to stay - then be a better "community member".
Look Buddy, I am the one who has had their name and location splashed all over this and other sites, I am the one who has had people threaten to eliminate my business by surrounding it with competition. I am the one who has been called everything but a red head headed step child on this site. AND FOR WHAT?

"I feel the need to respond to every thread". So the ____ what? Since when does that make someone a "bad member of the Community"?

Robert, just admit that you don't like me and you don't like my point of view. You would come off a whole lot more honestly if you would just admit that. Heck, there is no need, anyone who follows this site knows that.

Some other members of this forum has convinced me that I should not give up on this site. So after 2 weeks of not posting, I decided to return. But this is the kind of ____ I get every time I do. It's ridiculous and a waste of my time.

I'll let everyone one else discuss customers peeing in their trashcans and move on to something important in my life.
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Peach I don't know the first thing about you so how can I not like you. I don't like the way you engage people on this site and then cry the victim. You bring it upon yourself by the way you post. I have nothing at all against you on any level except the way you interact on this site. Come to Nashville and introduce yourself and I will gladly buy your a beer but please change your ways. Enough already!
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I just find it amazing that there is so much hypocrisy out here. The small mindedness is annoying but
the blind hypocrisy is just flat out alarming. Its better over hear then Tday where its more blatant but
its still way more prevalent then it should be!

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I haven't been in the Tanning business for a year yet (July 1, 2014 will be one year). Therefore, I come on here to search for advice on certain matters. Maybe as time progresses and I become more "seasoned" will I post more. But, I have looked on someones post and the things being said to that particular "new" person was uncalled for and I had had second thoughts of belonging to this group. But, for the most part the good outweighs the bad. YAY for my FIRST post!!!
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Welcome Elite and congrats on your 1st post!
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Welcome Elite and congrats on your 1st post!
There is nothing elite about me Turbo. Cream dosent rise to the top. Its pushed there by all the milk.

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*blushing & toe kick* Geesh Tons, can't tell ya how flattered I am that someone of your caliber is so concerned about my thoughts & opinions.
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Well that was an interesting read...lol...
Guess you could say I have been a lurker, haven't posted much on here.
Bought my salon in December. Doing pretty good so far.
I usually find the answers I'm looking for when I'm on, and get some great ideas.
Really looking forward to the Nashville conference!!!
Can't say I'm afraid to post out of fear or ridicule or anything. I have been on forums that are way worse (non tanning related) and post on them. I am also probably thicker skinned than most.
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