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Old 06-24-2005, 01:50 PM   #11 (permalink)
 
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HOLY CRAP!!!! Can anyone say anything around here!!!!
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Old 06-24-2005, 01:59 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
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Pathetic. SINCE WHEN CAN OPEN FORUM FREEDOM OF SPEECH BE FOUND LIABLE??

I was wondering what happened to this thread. I only keep up with the HOT TOPICS and when they are tossed like this one they no longer show up.

Like Sheila said, Tanformation will be back soon (not soon enough). There is just too much HYPOCRITICAL NONSENSE going on in this here OPEN FORUM DISCUSSION BOARD.

I mean, the owner of the web site is one of the top CENSORED in the industry, SUPPORTS CENSORED (as we wait for google ads to pull up) and silences all PRO TANNING TALK?????

Why do we support this CENSORED site again? Oh yeah, it's the one closest to CENSORED (yet worships a "CENSORED" like the CENSORED for CENSORED ). I forget sometimes.

Is that better? I just removed the TRUTH so it's nice and ready for presentation.
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Old 06-24-2005, 02:04 PM   #13 (permalink)
 
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HOLY CRAP!!!! Can anyone say anything around here!!!!
Personal attacks aka bashing is generally not accepted. I suspect we will see more in the very near future, watch......
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Old 06-24-2005, 02:13 PM   #14 (permalink)
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This is a very significant issue that was discussed, my question is why is it any business of the mods to with hold such an educational post from others to learn from. There was no foul, sexual language, no spamming, that would cause for any grounds of removal. I understand the needs for mods, but in this case why is it the desicion of the higher beings on this web site to dicate what I should be exposed to in such a topic that is very important to our industry as a whole?
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Let me state this simply:

#1...There is no Gag order on the tanning industry. This is just a scare tactic by those who have nothing to lose but your salons.

#2. You cannot place a Gag order on research that is documented and that is what the AMA is doing. They have been doing research on mice for years, killing them and telling the public of the results.

If you want to follow a group of non-salon owners that are placing your livelyhood at risk, that is your decision. However, you won't see my name on that list. i plan on surviving this insanity.

#4. If you want to fight them, use the same tactics they use. The information is out there and documented by PROFESSIONALS. (A key word here). Use that information to your best benefits. Get the word out in ads, newsletters and such. Be smart, not insane.
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Hmmmmm... good points on both sides of the discussion. But all this shouting gives me a headache. Cold beer anyone?
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RC- Please explain this "hitting them from places they cannot fight back, the media"- How can they Not fight back, they are all over the media- why have a media tit-for-tat in the public without the backings of a motion being filed? IMO we need both. The motion gains movement and weight with press- the press is substantiated by the motion being filed... they feed off of each other and gain substance along the way- one without the other would be meaningless. It is my understanding that salons cannot make any medical claims or claim any benefit other than a "cosmetic tan" of exposure to UVR. Yes, this is not a "gag-order" perse, so maybe we should use different terminology for this restriction. We are free to send or direct or request that our local and national news networks report new articles of research that are pro-sun, pro-UVR exposure, pro-HEALTH... but the likelihood of them running it slim to none- UNLESS, we unite professionally, take action together as one unit, get a PR representative and present the information as fact- fact enough for us to legally present to the AMA that they are breaking the Sherman Act and supporting ill-health and injury to millions of people, taking their money, raising their healthcare costs, etc. We must also support the message (as strongly as possible) to NEVER BURN, to be smart about UV exposure, to inspire the regualr folks sitting on their couches to be pro-active about their health. Independently run this would be a simple ad for "Joe's Tan Shack"- nothing wrong with that (for Joe) but Joe alone will not change public opinion or affect change for the image of the industry.

It is ok that we are not on the exact same page right now- all involved should step back for a sec and debate the process and procedure we should be following- no personal bashes involved, that will only side track and divide us. Debate and thought sharing are part of this process, I say emrace it and put your thoughts out there.

To back Sheila's assertion that Big Pharma and Government are losing ground with the public trust, I offer this piece from Rolling Stone Mag- http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/7395411 -These kinds of reports are showing up everywhere and when they start KC*F-ing with our children, trust as a whole will have been erroded to a nub for the AMA and the FDA across the board. They will have bigger damage control to deal with than the tanning industry- I agree with the thinking that the timing is right for a collective action on the part of salon owners and independently or collectively on the part of anyone else involved in the industry that stands to lose their livelihood if tanning is eventually banned or restricted to the point that UV equipment can only be operated by a Dr.

THE SUN IS FREE, if indoor salons are gone- people will not go to the Dr's office for a tan... with a $5-40 co-pay per session- they cannot make a living running a tanning salon out of the Dr's office.

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