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engfant 08-17-2004 07:47 PM

ENGFANT PREDICTION FOR 2005-2006.

The year of the heavy bronzers are gunna go bye bye. Light bronzers are gunna be the MAX anyone will want. FAKE IS OUT (as always). REAL IS IN. The BS about celebrities using SPRAY TAN is gunna PUKE out the truth FINALLY and the world will see that YES, they use spray tan IN ADDITION TO UV tanning.
The spray tan industry is gunna evolve (eventually) into "body detailing" over the next few years and the spray booths are gunna be found for close to NOTHING cause they are a joke. Only the sketchiest of places will be using the booth in the next few years cause they OWE way too much to get rid of them.
Light tingles are gunna get more popular as people realize that they are the best way to kick up a tan.

Challenge.

tanu01 08-17-2004 07:51 PM

I think your right.
Flick

richard9091 08-17-2004 07:52 PM

Body detailing, now that sounds interesting. What do you think might be offerred as detailing?

RandyR 08-17-2004 11:30 PM

RandyR predictions for 2005 - 2006:

Salons with 8 beds or less will be FEW and FAR BETWEEN

The standard tanning bed will be 15 min VHO, "super" beds will be 9 mins or less

The cost of the top quality market-leading spray booths (Magic, Mystic) will NOT come down, as they will evolve just as UV tanning beds have...better, faster, more features, more efficient. Used spray booths will be available, but the new booths will always be preferred.

Only the sketchiest of salons will NOT have a spray booth because the successful salons will have taken all of their business.

Spray booth solution will be found by the FDA as safe to drink

President Bush will nuke Iran.

tropicgirl 08-18-2004 06:27 AM

You Go RandyR!

tanu01 08-18-2004 08:38 AM

Randy, I agree with your predictions on salon size and type of beds. If the larger salons don't swallow the smaller ones,The increase in the price of rental property will. I have been pounding smaller salons for years that they have to grow to survive.
As far as spray booths go, This is not the first time they have been on the market. They are either going to fade out again or emerge to a greater level where you will have all spray booths. The same way tanning beds emerged from being
in hair and nail salons.
Flick

engfant 08-18-2004 10:29 AM

"Spray booth solution will be found by the FDA as safe to drink"

See the reason why I run my mouth like a fool is because people's responses give away true ignorance.

WATER is SAFE enough to drink but WILL KILL YOU if you breathe in enough or even DRINK too much.

"Only the sketchiest of salons will NOT have a spray booth because the successful salons will have taken all of their business."

WRONG. The sweat shop salons will have booths. The higher end STUDIOS will have body detailing. Spray booth sessions are being GIVEN away and are already down to about $15/session in this area. If the price per session keeps dropping the money has to be made up somewhere.
Airbrush (including HVLP/LVLP) is the future of sunless. For 1/10 of the money of a top end booth you can have a top TOP end airbrush/HVLP set up with makeup, tanning, nails, tats and whatever else they can send through a air gun. Don't like mystic's solution. Use breeze, or JA, or Norvell or get them all. Something for everyone with out worries of scam warranties.

Coppertone 08-18-2004 10:33 AM

While I agree mostly in what you said, it all depends on the location. There is no way that an 8+ bed tanning salon will make it in a small village (say 1000 people) or rural areas. In the county that I'm in there is only 3 true tanning salons in the whole county. The biggest has a whopping 5 units. The population of the whole county is less than 40k last time I checked. In bigger populated areas, I can see the smaller salon not making it, but out in the sticks it's a whole different ballgame.

RandyR 08-18-2004 12:02 PM

Quote:


"Spray booth solution will be found by the FDA as safe to drink"
See the reason why I run my mouth like a fool is because people's responses give away true ignorance.




Kind of funny how a guy who thinks he is the Jay Leno of TanTalk cant see the comedy in that statement. DHA solution being drinkable was just an intentional ridiculous "prediction" intended to inflame spray booth haters like you, Engfant. Youre so sour over spray booths you cant even take a joke...and I didnt even mention the fact that my booth will be paid for within NINE MONTHS (this September)...that would've REALLY pushed you to the edge. YOU"RE the one who started this thread in a weak attempt to vent your frustrations over the success of spray tanning. No need to call me ignorant.

Coppertone, I completely agree with your post regarding the success of smaller salons and, again, I was just trying to get to Engfant. He comes on here with his super negative, hating attitude with his "predictions" about spray tanning and then when someone responds to his "CHALLENGE" he cant handle it. I made my predictions. Thats what they are, predictions....opinions -- not something to be wrong about or argued over.


engfant 08-18-2004 12:20 PM

Hopefully the correct people can read through the nuttiness. ALSO this was NOT a direct attack at spray tanning. YOU made it this.


Once again. True Ignorance.
"and I didnt even mention the fact that my booth will be paid for within NINE MONTHS (this September)...that would've REALLY pushed you to the edge."

That's all that matters. Dolla Dolla bill yall. Mines already paid for so if the FDA tells you to s-can that booth cause people are getting lung failure I'm all set. Don't wait until the product is fully tested. That would be stupid.

COCONUT 08-18-2004 01:08 PM

okay lets just stop this here.its not going anywhere

tanu01 08-18-2004 01:18 PM

Coppertone,Being in a small area you can actually make more money then a salon in a city with alot of other salons.
You can set your price and be done with it.
NO wanna be's lowering prices to the level that all they are doing is getting by.
Flick

Coppertone 08-18-2004 04:10 PM

True, but I have a hair salon doing $3 tans and a gas station in the next town over doing $5 Hex II tans. Most of my clients are value oriented as I'm sure a lot of salon owners have this to. It's hard to sell $40 on up lotions here. My most popular line is Synergy. I can't keep Brown Envy on the shelf. I also added Swanky Girl and doing pretty good with Cat's Pj's and 5th Avenue Minx.

I have been meaning to email you as I'm planning to do our local schools athletics and cheerleading dept's. Do you have a letter that you use and what are you specials?

Thanks
Cass

engfant 08-18-2004 04:35 PM

"Kind of funny how a guy who thinks he is the Jay Leno of TanTalk cant see the comedy in that statement."

Not to give my location away but I went through the same school system as Chinno. He used to come visit the school (once in a LONG while).

That big chinned schlub has nothing on Krusty the Clown!

Geeze coconut. For someone claiming to be a slammer you won't even let us throw down! He started it with that spray comment.
(that's my way of admitting I lost it for reasons not related to Randy's comment. There is some other disturbance on this board that's gunna make life difficult for others)

I hope that fool doesn't nuke anyone. It made good TV when it seemed like the thing to do. Don't know anymore.

BACK TO THE POST.

Anyone think that there is gunna be a market for the HIGHER UVB apps? Is there a need for 9.5% UVB "tanning" systems? (I think they call those TOASTERS in my parts) Everything seems to be shifting toward the HUGE UVA and a super controled UVB.

TMMACAV2 08-18-2004 05:37 PM

Coppertone, Where are you located in Michigan?

top250tansyou 08-18-2004 06:35 PM

I think it is an attack on spray tanning. If you dont want a spray tanner dont buy one. Those of us that do like it. Spray tanners are going to get cheaper and very soon (by the end of the year). Also if you can get the same result in a spray tanner (and you can) why would you go to the trouble of the airbrushing. Airbrusing not only do you have to pay for the spray itself but you have to pay someone to apply it. Our spray booth cleans itself all we have to do is wipe it down. Daily maintenence take about 3 minutes (cleaning jets) and once a month we have to take the jets off and clean them. Spray booths are getting bigger every year and are not going slow down any time soon. You think these companies are dumping money into these systems because they think it is a fad.

It does work better with UV tanning though. We encourge people to use the spray tanning and then go into our HP unit for just a few minutes. We are getting great results.

engfant 08-18-2004 07:12 PM

It's only an attack on UNEDUCATED POSTS about spray tanning. I WANT people to INVEST HEAVYLY into spray booths ESPECIALLY if it's your last red cent. It'll make finding a slightly used booth for $5K just THAT much more realistic.

tanu01 08-18-2004 07:28 PM

My prediction:Some booth disty will hit engfant with a truck,He lives,He sues,He wins,He buys new lighting for his salon.
Flick

top250tansyou 08-18-2004 07:36 PM

HAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ok eng I get your point. What if you could have a brand new one for around 15k?

engfant 08-18-2004 07:40 PM

I wish that would happen but I'd probably end up bankrupting the company with any winnings over $50. You don't understand. I sit and stare at all these cool lighting ideas online. Hmmmm send Ergoline this way. I'll leap in front of those scumbags. (jokes people.) I don't cheat...which is why I'm broke.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

tanu01 08-18-2004 07:42 PM

I thought I saw your ears wiggle!
Flick

Coppertone 08-18-2004 08:12 PM

So did I.....LOL

[ This Message was edited by: Coppertone on 2004-08-18 20:16 ]

Too Sunz 08-18-2004 10:07 PM

Error on Randy R's speech, BUSH will be crying for a job at McDonalds because he won't be the president for another 4 years

Coppertone 08-18-2004 10:44 PM

Quote:
Coppertone, I completely agree with your post regarding the success of smaller salons and, again, I was just trying to get to Engfant. He comes on here with his super negative, hating attitude with his "predictions" about spray tanning and then when someone responds to his "CHALLENGE" he cant handle it. I made my predictions. Thats what they are, predictions....opinions -- not something to be wrong about or argued over.




Randy, there isn't even a sunless unit in the county. My son's friends was in a wedding about a month ago. They (twin girls) drove 45 miles to the closest one. They got it done and it was a mess. They both had to go back the next morning (day of the wedding) to get it redone. To this day they still have streaks from the sunless. I guess the people doing it must not know what they were doing or at least sounds like it.[ This Message was edited by: Coppertone on 2004-08-18 22:50 ]

top250tansyou 08-18-2004 11:29 PM

Our unit works well. We discourage people from coming in and trying it though the day before or of an event. Come in a week before so you can try it out before hand so you know exactly what you are getting. You may not like it but if you do you can always come back and do it the day before your event. This is just like UV tanning. Dont wait to long. We have alot of people trying it now and liking it. They know they can use it at a later date with no problems.

COPPERTONE you said whe wedding was a month ago - they still have streaks to this day. Come on - are these people. Do they have fur. I usually go though quit a bit of skin in a month. But if they have fur I totally understand. I assume if you had fur and got the spray on wrong - and dont take a bath or lick yourself - I guess you could still have streaks. ALso in Mich maybe you need fur. Burrrrrrrr it is cold. Not me I have streaky fur.

Coppertone 08-18-2004 11:37 PM

Top250. They do have blotches. Does that sound better.

jo 08-19-2004 09:11 AM

I don't have spray tan although I probably get a phone call every day asking (I don't have the space for it regardless) There are others in town with it. Frankly, I have only heard of one person who is a happy regular. Most are eager to try it and are happy with the initial results but really dislike the blotching afterward - the uneven fade... any comments from those in the know?

COCONUT 08-19-2004 09:19 AM

ENGFANT....someone in a recent post said i slam people in which i thought was a pretty funny statement thats why put the tag!! i should change it now..

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West Side Tanner 08-19-2004 09:30 AM

Engfant...05 & 06 ? Two years?

chester 08-19-2004 09:31 AM

I'm not going to bash sunless tanning because I have no experience with it. The only experience that I have are
1. I get at least one phone call a day asking if we have spray on tanning. This makes me wonder if I should carry it.
2. Customers who have used the spray on tanning have mixed thoughts about it. Some like it and some don't. Those who don't have complained of an orange color and an uneven tan requiring an additional purchase of sunless lotion.

I guess that I'm not convinced one way or the other. If I'm going to invest a substantial amount of money on a product, I need to feel least 90% sure that it's going to sell good for at least several years. I'm afraid of it being a trend. I also don't want to have 50% of my spray on tanning customers happy and the other 50% complaining about streaks, etc.

I was hoping that this website would clear up my fears so that I would feel confident about the product. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened.


West Side Tanner 08-19-2004 09:33 AM

DITTO Chester. His is exactly how we feel !

chester 08-19-2004 09:37 AM

I'm not going to bash sunless tanning because I have no experience with it. The only experience that I have are
1. I get at least one phone call a day asking if we have spray on tanning. This makes me wonder if I should carry it.
2. Customers who have used the spray on tanning have mixed thoughts about it. Some like it and some don't. Those who don't have complained of an orange color and an uneven tan requiring an additional purchase of sunless lotion.

I guess that I'm not convinced one way or the other. If I'm going to invest a substantial amount of money on a product, I need to feel least 90% sure that it's going to sell good for at least several years. I'm afraid of it being a trend. I also don't want to have 50% of my spray on tanning customers happy and the other 50% complaining about streaks, etc.

I was hoping that this website would clear up my fears so that I would feel confident about the product. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened.


chester 08-19-2004 09:37 AM

I'm not going to bash sunless tanning because I have no experience with it. The only experience that I have are
1. I get at least one phone call a day asking if we have spray on tanning. This makes me wonder if I should carry it.
2. Customers who have used the spray on tanning have mixed thoughts about it. Some like it and some don't. Those who don't have complained of an orange color and an uneven tan requiring an additional purchase of sunless lotion.

I guess that I'm not convinced one way or the other. If I'm going to invest a substantial amount of money on a product, I need to feel least 90% sure that it's going to sell good for at least several years. I'm afraid of it being a trend. I also don't want to have 50% of my spray on tanning customers happy and the other 50% complaining about streaks, etc.

I was hoping that this website would clear up my fears so that I would feel confident about the product. Unfortunately, that hasn't happened.


West Side Tanner 08-19-2004 10:12 AM

ok Chester !

engfant 08-19-2004 10:52 AM

I agree with Chester as long as he doesn't post the same thing again. Yeah that 05-06 was just instead of saying the near future. Hand held spray techniques won't slap people in the face as hard as the booths cause it's not "plug and spray". You have to have some actual training and skill to do anything by hand.
Everything that's come out onto the market in the last 2 years is experimental at best. Some even look like prototypes or incomplete. Only a few products are maturing due to the idea being eaten up by companies with cash to invest into the product. The CalTan Turbobronzer is probably the best example of this. A complete system that makes sense. Not some free sprayer that came with 2 gals of solution. Talk about ghetto. Also, those overspray booths are lifesavers for fools (like myself) that have really no way to vent the mist.

If you plan on selling a premium service it has to APPEAR to be premium. Also it has to perform. 50% sucess rates bothers me too. 90% is where I want to be at.

SpraysOfRays 08-29-2004 01:09 PM

I agree with Engfant that body detailing will be very hot in the future for spray tanning. Who wouldn't love a little extra "look of cleavage" or "defined abs". It should be in the minds of people using the spray tanning systems today. You, as salon owners, are hand-applying a tan to your clients. There are three parts to this equation in achieving an even, natural-looking tan that your customers will be happy to repeat.

1. A reliable piece of equipment with a great warranty and customer service that backs it up.

2. The skill with which the tech applies the tan. All of the systems out there take a little practice to get it right. Take a minute to sponge any uneven spots or to define that cleavage or abs. Your customer will appreciate the time you spend on their tan rather than getting them sprayed and out of there in 2 minutes.

3. Educating the customer about exfoliating prior to the tanning session (and selling them the product to do so), putting a little moisturizer on the knees and feet and barrier cream on the fingernails. Then discussing after-spray tanning skin care....swimming in chlorine pools diminishes the tan quickly, use of tan extenders every other day(and selling them the product as well); and most importantly, that even though they look fantastically tan, they are not protected from the sun and have to use sunscreens.

In my opinion, there is a time and place for both bed and spray tanning. The end results are clients who are happy with how they look, salon owners who are happy with their sales results and proud of their service, and generations of people who won't be visiting dermatologists with skin cancer.

Happy Tanning Everyone
Jayne

Neon Beach 08-29-2004 01:30 PM

Quote:
On 2004-08-19 09:11, jo wrote:
I don't have spray tan although I probably get a phone call every day asking (I don't have the space for it regardless) There are others in town with it. Frankly, I have only heard of one person who is a happy regular. Most are eager to try it and are happy with the initial results but really dislike the blotching afterward - the uneven fade... any comments from those in the know?


I agree 100%

lil_missfit 08-29-2004 08:35 PM

I better add another bed in Jan so I can stay afloat.

tanu01 08-29-2004 08:42 PM

I think you should a big bed and an Ultra fountan!
Flick

lil_missfit 08-29-2004 09:21 PM

What kind of deal can you make me on a "big" bed, I'll add ultra in with the payment.

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