BooBop

Some have questions regarding how the donations will be used in this Grassroots effort of tanning salon owners. Frankie B. sent the questions to Bob Wagnor and below are the answers he gave.
Frankie ask me to post this here for you. Mitz


Here are the questions sent to Bob and his answers concerning the direction PTAF is headed.

What percentage of each dollar raised goes toward the general fund?

Answer to 1: We would like to use 100% of everything received as retainer fees, but maintaining the web site and mailing documents cost money as well, so perhaps 5% will be dedicated to operations. My time is voluntary.

2. What percentage of each dollar raised goes toward the fund raising efforts?

Answer to 2: Apart from the web site, web forums, and word of mouth, we haven`t planned on doing any "real" fund raising. If it makes sense to salon owners to contribute, they will, if not, they won`t. I`m placing my trust in the former.

3. What percentage of each dollar raised goes toward the administrative cost?

Answer to 3: I believe the answer to this question was answered in question 1.Bob`s time is voluntary.

PTAF raised nearly $3000.00 from various salon owners while in SoBe with commitments from others made verbally.

Bob said. "Max Recone and I had a good discussion about PTAF. He and other lotion producers have discussed supporting the cause, but I have generally resisted so as to first see what level of response could be garnered from salons."

Please feel free to post this response on the web forums.


Talk to you soon,


Bob

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"Do Your Best And Enjoy The Journey"

BooBop

Have you sent in your name and donation? Go to www.professionaltanningactionfund.org
Sign up and get your industry back from the Dermoterriost

pam

My money is in! We need to get behind this. While I was in SoBe, I had a couple of phone calls from other local salon owners who I sent copies of the letter to. They are interested enough to want more information. It takes only a few minutes to copy the letter and send it to all of the salons in your area. We have to get behind this for it to go anywhere!

Pam

soapking

There are over 25,000 salons in the USA alone. If everyone gave a $10.00 donation, the fight would be over..Donate one tan session a week to the fight...why are some folks so apathetic???

MJ

Quote:What percentage of each dollar raised goes toward the general fund?

Answer to 1: We would like to use 100% of everything received as retainer fees, but maintaining the web site and mailing documents cost money as well, so perhaps 5% will be dedicated to operations. My time is voluntary.

2. What percentage of each dollar raised goes toward the fund raising efforts?

Answer to 2: Apart from the web site, web forums, and word of mouth, we haven`t planned on doing any "real" fund raising. If it makes sense to salon owners to contribute, they will, if not, they won`t. I`m placing my trust in the former.

3. What percentage of each dollar raised goes toward the administrative cost?

Answer to 3: I believe the answer to this question was answered in question 1.Bob`s time is voluntary.

Note the use of vague wordage.

1. Perhaps 5% but no commitment that it will not be 10, 20, 30, or 50%.
2. They have not PLANNED on doing any fund raising??? They have not put together a system of checks and balances...they have not made certian of MFGs involvement...what EXACTLY have they done so far?
Find and attorney that is willing to collect money from salon owners and ask us to sign on by donating to a cause that is poorly planned and unorganized from the get go?

3. Frankie "believes"...OHH I feel better now. That clears it up. :eyeroll: I thought BOB answered her? Shouldn't she know?
Secondly just because Bobs time is Voluntary..NOW

It does not rule out the Board he will assemble will be or his present and future expenses are or will be. Also he does not exclude any bills the PTAF (at this point IE: BOB) may accumulate.

Such as Phone bill, potentially lunch meetings( not his time..but the cost of the lunch), travel expenses to salon owners and MFGs to discuss the PTAF...this list could go on..

JUST BECAUSE HIS TIME IS FREE DOES NOT MEAN HE COULDN'T POTENTIALLY CHARGE FOR OTHER BILLABLE ITEMS.

As a matter of fact he has said NOTHING directly to us about this matter this all heresay. Why is that?

So Mitzie HUN to clarify.... I am not saying he does this or will. I am stating until these details are spelled out then do not ask intelligent people to contribute to this fund without some questions.

NOW Mitzie dear I am officially done with this subject.







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MJ

Wow that was fast! I have not seen that many posting in one day in along time.
Ahh nice try!! heheheh bumpity bumpity bump. Get to posting people...
Push it back down. Hurry the truth might get out...

pam

Despite the naysayers, this is a worthwhile venture. It is imperative to protecting the future of our industry. We all understand the benefits of tanning. Why should we sit still and let uninformed sources do their best to destroy it to satisfy the interests of the 'dermo-terrorists'.
Bob Wagner knows what he is doing, has a vested interest in this industry and is willing to discuss any concerns you may personally have. He will personally address any issues you have. www.professionaltanningactionfund.org

Pam

Sheila in Minnesota

Quote:Why should we sit still and let uninformed sources do their best to destroy it to satisfy the interests of the 'dermo-terrorists'.

But what about the 'Nay Sayers' that have sent their $100 bucks? That only want to see a 'valid' plan?

It seems a shame to see an effort go down the toilet simply from a refusal to Document the Plan with those that are expected to pay into it....

I was very 'hot' for this project - - - and got very worried by the 'Answers' I was getting - - they changed from moment to moment.... Then ~ the Einsteins from Tantodays Nether regions got involved and really made it into a fluster cluck.....

This EFFORT could have been FUNDED already.

There is cause for concern that it is NOT FUNDED due to the lack of confidence and due to the arrogance and ignorance of a couple of Jimbos.

Pam - YOU know my desires for a workable plan... I CALLED Bob .... numerous times. For me - if only 6 thousand salons (out of the supposed 26 thousand salons) paid in 100$ .... that is $600,000 of tax free ching.... I would like to see that the Aegis coffee fund is not getting reimbursed 40K a year or that the surcharge on a fax is $25 a sheet.....

One does not need to be a proven Saint or a Sinner to have to provide a plan ....

Using others to spread 'your' message is red flag #1 (I already got my 10 flags just from my personal experiences with this issue) ....

People SHOULD support the industry fight.

They should also DEMAND to have it documented in writing SOMEWHERE - that their donations will go to the Battle and not to (over inflated) expenses....

When the Spaminators of Tantoday rally the call - - I really want people to THINK TWICE .... would I TRUST this person?

Of late I have read behavior of Moderators that would cause me to say nfw.

In closing ~ I would submit that this remark is of great concern 'Apart from the web site, web forums, and word of mouth, we haven’t planned on doing any "real" fund raising. .... as it leads me to believe that Bob Wagner does not have a REAL GRASP on the fact that only 600-800 of all these MEMBERS are real.... of that, less then 20 have paid..... and I am one of em. But there is much concern.

I had plans of sending $200 a month during the busy.... less in the slow - but MAKING THIS A PART OF MY BUSINESS EXPENSES..... So I don't think I can be blamed for 'apathy'.... just maybe a strong sense of what is 'right'.

mouthybrat

I agree with Sheila, there needs to be a definative plan set in place and it needs to be in writing for all to see. I for one think that this is a good stepping stone to getting the media and the anti-tan industry to change their ways, but I think that there is more that we can do to make it easier for the anti-tan industry to take us all seriously.

One of the things we need to do is get EACH AND EVERY STATE REGULATED! This is a very important step that seems to be overlooked because some in the industry don't want the states involved in how they run their salons. Consider this, the FDA and FTC do not have the time nor the manpower to police tanning salons. For the states that do not have a regulatory agency to oversee the operations of tanning salons, who is going to do it?

Unfortunately, for those of you who are saying "We can police ourselves!", consider the fact that not all out there are willing to do so. There are salons in West Virginia that have duct tape holding shields and handles on. Is this a professional image for this industry? NO! But, let's face it, there is no one in West Virginia to police the salons to correct this.

Unfortunately, there is alot of media coverage of tanning salons that do not represent the tanning industry in a professional manner. These are the salons that refuse to police themselves and these are the ones that cause a black eye for the industry. Some of it is due to lack of education, and some is due to a complete lack of concern for operating a salon in a professional manner.

Yes, I believe that the PTAF is a good foundation. Have I donated yet, NO! I have not seen a clear plan of action and until I do, I will not donate to it.

MJ

Mouthy
I see your point really I do..Trust me I know the type of salons you are talking about. But getting all the states regulated is an entirely different issue.
We are too disfunctional of a group to complete one mission... let alone 2 at one time.

The logical conclusion when you compare the two..are first get the derms and media to back off. To give us the breathing room needed to clean up our own industry. As long as they attack us we will be plagued with low class salons struggling to stay a float. We are too busy defending ourself after every 6 o'clock news show that it seems to me...we never get to progress pass the defensive stage with our clients. JMHO. Not to mention we are not allowed to educate potential clients wide spread in our advertising. If we were they clients with half a brain would run screaming from the Shiet Shacks you speak of.

So it is the very important first step to gaining control over the future of our industry to force the media to
A. STFU about outdated and new but biased studies that cast our industry in a negative light.
B. Give our industry a local appointed spokesperson to debate the baised studies that do make it to press. fair and balance reporting is all we are asking.

Not the yahoo salon owner they usually dig up that look and act dumb as a box of rocks. (I know they do creative editing to their responses...it only makes it worse.)

As for the PTAF I think it is a great idea..but well you all know how I feel. If any of you don't know by now.... you have not been paying attention. Stop skim reading!!!

Back to regulating the states...well there are many opinions on that and that for now is better left in pandoras box. My goal is to continually better myself and my salon. All the while forcing the other guy to raise his standards or lose customers. That is how I plan on policing my local areas salons.

Until there are regulations that benefit client, salon owner and the state agencies...Those type of regulations I will welcome. I will welcome with open arms. Unchecked and all powerful agencies have a tendency to do more harm then good. JMHO