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Old 08-07-2002, 12:56 PM   #51 (permalink)
 
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Michael Chunn... you are dancing with one serious tramp when you imply that I am sleeping with your enemy... I got a list baby ~ and Bill Pipp has not made it there yet ~ talk about hearsay!!!


You ask your staff to be 'brave enough to question (Sheila’s) motives'?????

NO NO NOOOOOOO my love ~ I reported the jist of the conversation-----

Please NOTE that it lacks MY PERSONAL OPINION of what I FEEL HAS HAPPENED in this situation...

I can tell you (as a wordsmith and a lover of poopoostirring) that my motives should not be in question... yours are becoming suspect tho' my love ...

I TOLD YOU I WAS ONLY INTERESTED IN GETTING SOME INPUT ----STOPPING THE GUESSING GAMES THAT LEAD TO FLAMES... to benefit ~ ~ ~ who???

I personally invite ANY PERSON that feels that my intentions for the BigDog Group / and my assistance to Mike Chunn on this issue are based on some HIDDEN AGENDA or 'motivation' ~ ~ to step on up.......

The attention and eyeballs this topic has generated is a crowning achievement for this board...

Mike has used me before to get the eyeballs here - - and is quite the poopootstirrer himself.........

But Honestly ~ it is all just a bucket of poopoo...

MIKE ~ Forget about asking the lambs to bring you the broomstick of the Bit** of the North...

YOU bring me the proof - not speculation - that 4seasons has folded ETS on the BIGDOG GROUP - - - bear in mind... I am NOT saying I do not believe that it is possible... I am saying bring ME the PROOF that ETS rolled over for 4 Seasons... I will gladly kick the poopoo out of both groups personally.

Don: Thank you for your input love...... this is an emotional topic ~ no?

It is so easy to WANT to hate ETS but in the attempt for a fair and unbiased fight (you know, like the kind we keep demanding from Anti-Tan???) I offered assistance to Mike to get some input from ETS via whatever avenue I could get...

I believe it is pretty plain that ETS has the right to NOT sell to a buyers group via one of their distributors that has a contract that states NO SALES to groups or via the web...

Technicality ~ Schemnacality????

Perhaps...


But ~ if you suspect the abilities of management ... do YOU do business with a company????

I believe that Bill is implying that BigDog appears to be a clusterfu**..... not well organized or well run ~ ~ ~ If I felt differently . . . I would still be working for the Dog ~

The truth is not always easy to swallow.

BigDog Buyers group is a GREAT potential tool for salon owners... ETS does not need to be available to the members to make it successful ~ and ETS is NOT concerned about losing the house if it does not sell product via BigDog...

**** Sam James of TSS depends on his business as a Distributor to pay his house.... it is unfair of anyone Michael to risk his ability to be a distributor of this product line outside of the Dog... you play loose with others feelings and love...

Bring it on to me love- - - - do not ask your mods to take the *** beaten that is waiting for you.



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Old 08-07-2002, 01:07 PM   #52 (permalink)
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MJ, the only thing that I care about is my bottom line. But I would like ALL salon owners to get on the ban wagon of ETS. Once these salons realize that ETS is fu--ing them out of clients with their in home sales they may Just May, stop supporting them.

Just a side note here: I think Mike and Sam are working very closely on this, and Sam will take care of his biz. Mike is not leaving him out to dry, IMHO.
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MJ..... online boards are ALL ABOUT expressing ones OPINION..... but my friend Max did teach me that there is a RESPONSIBILITY to do the homework.... research the information.... not to run on flames with innuendo, supposition and manipulated tidbits.....

The letter from Ice Miller to Mike...... may indeed be the first indication of legal trouble for the BigDog Group directly to him..... {see if you are vague, or avoid contact that will lead to information you need to admit getting???}......

There is no need to call for a boycott of ETS.... the numbers show that ETS was not a top seller..... and unless the proof is given that any powerhouse distributor was the pressure that caused ETS to be removed from bigdog.... there is no need call for a boycott of them either.....

Mike ~ did you change your mind?????

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Kiddies ~

Mommy and Daddy have made up

Seems Mike is not used to seeing me providing information that is not totally flavored with my own opinions, my own agenda or my own emotional attachment....

I agree... I rarely ever do post in this way


~ for the rest of you that may not understand my style....

you should never misjudge my intentions for the survival of salon owners, their businesses and this industry.

So----- the post regarding the conversation with Bill Pipp of ETS was just an unemotional relay of information......

I never asked any of you to embrace it as FACT or FICTION . . . just an effort to bring ETS to the plate and participate on this issue that effects not only BigDog Supporters, but any salon owner in the tanning industry.

I am not a fan of bully tactics .... not from big boys or from large groups... if the power of our numbers is to be used correctly ~ it should never be used to crucify the wrong criminal..... oh tay????


xxoo to all that got peeed off at me...

Let's continue ~

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Shelia -- I'm trying to cut down on my caffeine also. I would recommend that you limit your intake to 2 gallons tomorrow.

I trying to cut mine off at 5 gallons a day. Just by typing this post -- I need to go get a mountain dew.

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Old 08-07-2002, 11:35 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Good I am glad you and Mike are all better now..but ETS still sucks!
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Yes MJ..... that may well be....

I guess we all shop at sam's clubs or price co's.... and we are participating in diversion and group buying power each time we do......

Everyone is looking for a better deal.....

The thing about the BigDog is that it will NOT hurt the MFGs bottom line.... it can only help it.....

But it can hurt the other competition - other sources of goo and goods.... and if they do a great job of suppling the needs of the many..... the big sources WILL lose the ching they once had.....

If I really believed that Mike and Sam were being dishonest here - - - no rock would be left unturned.... it would make Grip's experience look like a make-out session!

Mike and Sam have some decisions to make on behalf of the membership - - - it would be a good idea to offer them your feelings on what your hopes are for this group to acheive.

Not all the good energy should be spent kicking the MOUNTAIN of ETS

Here's to Big Dog chewing the appropriate ***!

p.s. Mike - - I no longer drink diet coke or diet dew - - - I mainline the stuff!!!

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Will the small salon owner still be a target for ETS?

With the ownership of BigDog changing hands we will see.....

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