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i think to make up for having more "industrial" looking beds, have a flahsy salon, a nice lobby and decor and give them good results and i think they will stick around

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Din-Canada

A bed that lights up with vanity lighting, with colourful trimming etc...and doesn't look plain like the Tan America's or the Tanses beds will be able to pull in more money.

All beds give results John. You know that.

If i have a Tanses bed and charge $15.00 for a tan and i have an Ergoline bed and charge $25.00. The Tanses will out tan the crap our of you. But if you have the beds at different locations and not in the same store, the ergoline will make a lot more money and be used a lot and keep the customers coming back cuz it gives you colour. Eventhough the Tanses gives you DOUBLE the colour at $10 less.

WHY? Cuz the Tanses looks like crap and can't get $25.00 a session based on looks alone. Where as the Ergoline....i can say....LOOK AT THE BED....Just look at it....and they'll pay me regardless of what results it gives you.

That's how it works. Tanning is for vanity and so why not choose a bed for the same reason.

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eileen

Making the room around the bed can help with looks as well. Some people don't think to make what's around the bed more attractive. Another effective way is to create packages that include more then one type of bed.

BTW we call our matrix the ferrari (Italian made) and the tanses thp the bobsled (Canadian made) :lol:

Din-Canada

We call our ETS bed (US Made)....oh wait we don't call them anything cuz they're crap and we don't own any....:lol:

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eileen

you mean you call it a FORD??? lol

UV MAN

Bottom line is this 160W unit will tan like a 15 minute 100W bed because of all the UVB. 5+% uvb on a 160W bed is a COOKER.

Don't forget the original beauty of a true 160W unit is that you can get a bed with outputs in the 50+ range and only 2-3% uvb in relation to total output. A bed metering in the 80"s with 5% uvb is just crazy. Does not give the skin time to tan out. It is a scorcher for sure. A redder color like a 15 minute 100W bed that will fade quicker.

In this case a shorter session time IS NOT better. Just my opinion but what the **** do I know.

The beauty of a TRUE 160E unit is that it is more browning and you can go longer between sessions. Should only need 4-5 sessions a month. This is not the case with this set up.

Good option if you are just trying to crank customers through.

KouKou

John and UV man, the readings din gave you were with advantage lamps on a bed that I do a top drop at 300 hours. If all lamps were changed at the same time I believe the readings woulf be higher. I remember when I first bought the meters from Steve, I measured the bed which at the time had cosmolux VHR's (the original lamp the bed came with) and with new lamps (cosmo's)I was getting mid 70's on the 5.0 and a TE of 9.6minutes.

The voltage has always been 235, and the measurements have been taken with the meters facing up sitting on the bottom acrylic in the center of the bed.

JOHN @ URI

Din Said:
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Is that because they don't give results you are looking for?

Granted all beds will tan, some are much more effective than others. Better design, proper cooling & proper power will give way better results.

So there you have it, the OEM configuration of the unit can't reach 4/meds in 7 minutes. Unless you used a pis-sed off high UVB lamp. That is almost 30% longer than the Max time.

I'm thinking a Magic Sun 23/160R would be a perfect fit for this unit. Nice amount of UVA, with about 3.9% UVB, should rock in at about 7 minutes in this sardine packed unit.

UV MAN

Hmmmm, I could swear a couple years back I use to hear Mori saying it did come with the Hereaus 23/160 lamp. Or I could be losing it, that was a while ago. Could be even the 23/160 could not hang at 7 minutes after the first 20 hrs.

Tooooooo HIIIIIIIgh UVB to be considered a true VHR bed for me. With this type of unit salons will sell unlimited tanning and customers will tan 3 times a week on it because the color will fade quicker.

ANY unit can give you color people. The key to VHR and HP tanning is a BROWNER color that lasts longer.

I would like to see this unit with the LSHP or the Phillips Swift HP and a 10-11 minute session. Now we are talking some TANNING(BROWNING).

7 minutes is just for marketing. We want to TAN (BROWN) people.

KouKou, If I owned this unit I would change it to a 10-11 minute session with the above lamps. You could even go the LSHP in the bench and the stronger Phillips Swift HP lamp in the canopy. Sell it as a browner color that lasts longer and is gentler on the skin. Then raise the price on this unit and customers will flock. The unit will meter in the hundred range with GENTLER UVB and more browning.

The fact that you have to do a top/drop of lamps tells me that at about 200Hrs it is not strong enough for a 7 minute session. This is because the UVB is too high and the session time is too short. I would guess this is the reason for the top/drop to keep the unit in the 7 minute TE range. I would get away from a 7 minute session if possible ON ANY UNIT. Tanning is one place where shorter is not always better.

Just my 2 cents.

KouKou

I agree with everything you said. This unit is running as a 10 minute session in my salon using the regular swifts, and customer satisfaction is very high. The problem is when this "marketing" thing becomes a problem in regulated states. Like I said, there is a lamp that would make it a 7 minute unit, but that would exceed the 10% rule these states have. So is this a good unit if you are restricted as to what lamps you can use?

I am not regulated yet. If I was I don't think this units would be in my salons.

I got the units from Mori and this was back in 1998, before Heraus was Kirk's lamp of choice. Back then they did come with cosmolux VHR. I believe they switched to heraus in 2000 (could be off a bit).

Anyhow. The 7 min. session comes from the lamps being spaced close together, and the dome of the bed - distance to the body - being much less than your average bed.