????? On Starters

navigatin1 · 11-02-2004, 05:49 AM

Hi All,

Could someone give me a quick run down on starters?
1. Does the starter have to be rated the same as the bulb? i.e 200w bulb/200w starter.

The reason for my question (and the fact that this is all new to me) I have a 2 year old Cyclone and Suncapsule, I seem to be going through bulbs rather quickly (about 350-400 hours) and I wondering if the unit has the correct starters in it or if I should replace them with a new/different one.
Thanks for your time..........

lampman · 11-02-2004, 07:44 AM

What lamp and what starter is in the unit now. some lamps do not work well with elecrtonic starters. also many people use the s-12 with 1650-200 watt lamps but the starter is only rated at 140 watts. there is a cleo power that will actually handle up to 260 watts although it is only rated at 180w

engfant · 11-02-2004, 10:12 AM

350-400hrs is not rather quickly. It's rather common. You can TRY electric starters (all 160watt+ should be using them anyway IMO) and HEAVY air conditioning. Also I'm assuming you are using Cosmedico. If not them 350-400hrs is actually pretty good.

trusno1 · 11-02-2004, 11:17 AM

do you have a buck booster? The bed may be getting too much electricity.

navigatin1 · 11-03-2004, 05:27 AM

Thanks everyone for getting back to me. I should have put a little more info. The booths are running cosmedico 200w bulbs and 140w(rated) phillips starters. They both have buck boosters and the bulbs are turning black at the ends around the 250 hour mark. Plenty o' air conditioning in my salon so no problem there.
After doing some research yesterday, I am leaning towards the starters being the problem, but would like some feedback from you guys (Engfant hint hint)on what too do.
Thanks again for your time.............

JOHN @ URI · 11-03-2004, 08:02 AM

The S12 should not be used in that unit. The Philips S12 is rated for 6000 cycles @ 140W. So if you are overpowering it, like that unit does, it will drastically decrease the life of that starter.

I would definitely try using a Philips Cleo Power or an Electronic starter. You will have less end darkening, faster starts & less lamp failures.

engfant · 11-03-2004, 09:34 AM

that's the problem. Junk starters. MY dazzler was a strobe booth before the e starters.

KnxTan · 11-03-2004, 09:41 AM

Most starters have the lamp range printed on them. Sad situation when a $1.50 starter eats up a $20.00 lamp.

navigatin1 · 11-05-2004, 05:30 AM

Thanks guys for the help!!!!!!! Any ideas or web sites where to purchase the electronic starters???????

SUN 1 · 11-05-2004, 07:15 AM

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11-02-2004, 05:49 AM	#1 (permalink)
navigatin1 Derf's My *****! Join Date: Aug 17 2004 Posts: 1,907 Rep Power: 6	Hi All, Could someone give me a quick run down on starters? 1. Does the starter have to be rated the same as the bulb? i.e 200w bulb/200w starter. The reason for my question (and the fact that this is all new to me) I have a 2 year old Cyclone and Suncapsule, I seem to be going through bulbs rather quickly (about 350-400 hours) and I wondering if the unit has the correct starters in it or if I should replace them with a new/different one. Thanks for your time..........

11-02-2004, 07:44 AM	#2 (permalink)
lampman Join Date: May 27 2001 Posts: 204 Rep Power: 8	What lamp and what starter is in the unit now. some lamps do not work well with elecrtonic starters. also many people use the s-12 with 1650-200 watt lamps but the starter is only rated at 140 watts. there is a cleo power that will actually handle up to 260 watts although it is only rated at 180w

11-02-2004, 10:12 AM	#3 (permalink)
engfant FREE ENGFANTUCATION Join Date: May 20 2003 Posts: 8,701 Rep Power: 12	350-400hrs is not rather quickly. It's rather common. You can TRY electric starters (all 160watt+ should be using them anyway IMO) and HEAVY air conditioning. Also I'm assuming you are using Cosmedico. If not them 350-400hrs is actually pretty good.

11-02-2004, 11:17 AM	#4 (permalink)
trusno1 Join Date: Apr 4 2003 Location: Marysville, OH Posts: 231 Rep Power: 6	do you have a buck booster? The bed may be getting too much electricity.

11-03-2004, 05:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
navigatin1 Derf's My *****! Join Date: Aug 17 2004 Posts: 1,907 Rep Power: 6	Thanks everyone for getting back to me. I should have put a little more info. The booths are running cosmedico 200w bulbs and 140w(rated) phillips starters. They both have buck boosters and the bulbs are turning black at the ends around the 250 hour mark. Plenty o' air conditioning in my salon so no problem there. After doing some research yesterday, I am leaning towards the starters being the problem, but would like some feedback from you guys (Engfant hint hint)on what too do. Thanks again for your time.............

11-03-2004, 08:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
JOHN @ URI I love Derf!! Join Date: Dec 21 2001 Posts: 1,270 Rep Power: 7	The S12 should not be used in that unit. The Philips S12 is rated for 6000 cycles @ 140W. So if you are overpowering it, like that unit does, it will drastically decrease the life of that starter. I would definitely try using a Philips Cleo Power or an Electronic starter. You will have less end darkening, faster starts & less lamp failures.

11-03-2004, 09:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
engfant FREE ENGFANTUCATION Join Date: May 20 2003 Posts: 8,701 Rep Power: 12	that's the problem. Junk starters. MY dazzler was a strobe booth before the e starters.

11-03-2004, 09:41 AM	#8 (permalink)
KnxTan I love Derf!! Join Date: Oct 8 2004 Posts: 1,033 Rep Power: 8	Most starters have the lamp range printed on them. Sad situation when a $1.50 starter eats up a $20.00 lamp.

11-05-2004, 05:30 AM	#9 (permalink)
navigatin1 Derf's My *****! Join Date: Aug 17 2004 Posts: 1,907 Rep Power: 6	Thanks guys for the help!!!!!!! Any ideas or web sites where to purchase the electronic starters???????

11-05-2004, 07:15 AM	#10 (permalink)
SUN 1 Join Date: Oct 23 2003 Location: Broward County, Florida Posts: 65 Rep Power: 0	FROM JOHN @ URI !!

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