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Old 01-17-2003, 03:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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As a subscriber to the EPA's "Sunprotection" news service, I sometimes receive interesting bits of research information from abroad. Recenty, the CDA's Executive Director, Mdme. Michelle Albagli, emailed me a thank you note by mistake, thinking that I had sent her a press release on the NIEH 10th ROC, as written up by an Australian cancer research group. I decided to engage her in the arbitrary, and what resulted follows below. Read it from the bottom up.


-----Original Message-----
From: AEGISAmexport [mailto:aegis@amexport.com]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:54 PM
To: Albagli, Michelle
Subject: RE: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


Thanks, Michelle. Our exchange has been stimulating.

Have a wonderful weekend!

Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: Albagli, Michelle [mailto:cda.albagli@rcpsc.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 2:09 PM
To: 'AEGISAmexport'
Subject: RE: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


And you would propose this how?

I said protect, as in keep safe, screen, shade.
Unless one wears a burqua, there will
inevitably be some exposure.

Perhaps at this stage I should let you know that
my academic research is in the field of the
psychology of communication, specialty
propaganda . . .

I think we may have exhausted this topic.

Michelle

-----Original Message-----
From: AEGISAmexport [mailto:aegis@amexport.com]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:39 PM
To: Albagli, Michelle
Subject: RE: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


Got it. So, you mean, it is OK to go outside, as long
as one isn't exposed to UV, yes?

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Albagli, Michelle [mailto:cda.albagli@rcpsc.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 1:31 PM
To: 'AEGISAmexport'
Subject: RE: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


'Tisn't the sunscreen that does the damage - it's ill-use
of the product. Which is why there are so many
sun safety programs around.

I didn't say avoid, I said protect - and the normal
North American diet will give you sufficient
Vitamin D, as will normal daily activity.

Re an acceptable dosage in quantative terms, this is
not a question I should answer, being a good social
scientist. You need such a discussion with someone
working in the life sciences.

Michelle

-----Original Message-----
From: AEGISAmexport [mailto:aegis@amexport.com]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 3:27 PM
To: Albagli, Michelle
Subject: RE: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


Oh, mais je parle chaque jour avec un dermatologue. And,
I had no idea that Vlad Tepes was afflicted with porphoria
Thanks much for that new bit of information. I don't
mean to sound too contrarian, but FDA has determined that
the sunscreens people have been recommended to slather on
before going out into the sun did as much, if not more, damage
to public health as unprotected UV exposure. It has only
been in the last few years that Paba-free (and other) mater-
ials have come into play.

Notwithstanding this, the type of UV that physicians insist
is necessary for health is the same that you say most derms
recommend avoiding. Is there then, in your opinion, an
acceptable dosage, perhaps at fluence rates beneath the
CIE or IEC EAS?

Bon weekend!

Bob



-----Original Message-----
From: Albagli, Michelle [mailto:cda.albagli@rcpsc.edu]
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 12:46 PM
To: 'AEGISAmexport'
Subject: RE: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


Sounds like you should speak to a dermatologist.
No-one is saying that you have to hide away the whole
time (unless you suffer from iron-deficiency porphorya,
la Vlad the Impaler). What derms do say is that
you need to protect yourself from the harmful effects
of the sun, i.e. go outside, enjoy yourself, etc. - only
wear sunscreen and a wide-brimmed hat, etc.

That's a far cry from deliberately exposing all of
you to a dose of UV.

Enjoy the weekend.
Michelle


-----Original Message-----
From: AEGISAmexport [mailto:aegis@amexport.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:59 PM
To: Albagli, Michelle
Subject: RE: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


My goodness! A steak on a barbeque! Howard's colleague,
Dr. Janusz Beer, argues the fact that mankind has been
dealing with sun exposure for many millennia, and yet our
average life spans increase with each generation. When
humans covered up and hid in northern homes, away from the
sun, a whole host of immuno-deficiency related maladies
resulted. UV treatment was prescribed later to promote
Vitamin D generation.

Even small doses of UV can result in a "tan", or thereby
alter the appearance of the natural skin color. Would
CDA's position be that people should not expose themselves
to UV at all, or would it be fair to say that "limited"
exposure may be construed as being healthy?

Please bear in mind that fact that my position as a medical
journalist precludes my taking sides either way.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Albagli, Michelle [mailto:cda.albagli@rcpsc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:29 PM
To: 'AEGISAmexport'
Subject: RE: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


It may be the case that some Canadian dermatologists would
do as you suggest; I have never heard of it being done.

The CDA position is that people stay the most healthy with
the colour they are born with. This, of course, refers to healthy
people with normal skin. Cosmetically, a skin changing colour
is a skin being damaged - rather like a steak on a barbecue.

Michelle

-----Original Message-----
From: AEGISAmexport [mailto:aegis@amexport.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:53 PM
To: Albagli, Michelle
Subject: RE: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


I'm curious as to why you believe dermatologists don't approve of
tanning salons or tanning beds at all, except for medical treatments,
when many dermatologists here and in Europe have determined them to
be acceptable methods of administering moderate UV Doses to those
individuals desiring cosmetic pigmentation, as long as proper skin
typing has been performed.

I have written extensively on genetic research (i.e., Sturm, et al.),
that USFDA/OST and IEC seem to be (shockingly) in certain agreement
with. UV seems to be a catalyst, but not THE empirical causal factor.

Have you read those papers?

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Albagli, Michelle [mailto:cda.albagli@rcpsc.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:10 PM
To: 'AEGISAmexport'
Subject: RE: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


Haven't seen the new regulations. However, dermatologists don't approve of
tanning salons or tanning beds at all, except for medical treatments.

CDA will be coming out with a position paper shortly.
Michelle

-----Original Message-----
From: AEGISAmexport [mailto:aegis@amexport.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:10 PM
To: Albagli, Michelle
Subject: RE: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


You too. By the way, I understand that indoor tanning salons
are in the process of being re-regulated by HC. What is your
organization's take on that? Too much, or too little?

Best regards,

Bob Wagner
AEGIS

-----Original Message-----
From: Albagli, Michelle [mailto:cda.albagli@rcpsc.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:08 AM
To: 'Bob Wagner'
Subject: RE: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


I thought I had sent the message of thanks only to
the sender but it obviously went to everyone!

Nice to meet you.
Michelle

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Wagner [mailto:aegis@amexport.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:17 PM
To: cda.albagli@rcpsc.edu
Subject: FW: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


Dear Ms. Albagli,

You're welcome, but I'm not sure I sent this to you. How is it that
we know each other? I, too, am a subscriber to EPA's Sunprotection
newsletter service, but only for journalistic purposes.

Best regards,

Bob Wagner
President
AEGIS, Inc.


-----Original Message-----
From: Albagli, Michelle [mailto:cda.albagli@rcpsc.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:28 AM
To: sunprotection
Subject: [sunprotection] RE: 10th Report on Carcinogens


Thanks for this information - very helpful.
Michelle

Michelle Albagli
Executive Director
Canadian Dermatology Association
521-774 Echo Drive
Ottawa, Canada K1S 5N8
613 730 6262
613 730 8262 (fax)
cda.albagli@rcpsc.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: Craig Sinclair [mailto:Craig.Sinclair@cancervic.org.au]
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 6:20 PM
To: sunprotection
Subject: [sunprotection] 10th Report on Carcinogens


Dear Colleagues

> Please note the 10th Report on Carcinogens is now on line, a good and
> detailed section is included on sunbeds and UV radiation. See.
> http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/roc/toc10.html
>
> The US Department of Health and Human Services has recently made available
> its 10th Report on Carcinogens (RoC), as prepared by the National
> Toxicology
> Program located at the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences
> (NIEHS). Users may view the entire report on this Web site provided by
> Environmental Health Perspectives, a peer-reviewed journal published by
> NIEHS. The RoC is an authoritative study that identifies and examines
> substances that pose a potential carcinogenic hazard to human health. For
> each listed substance, the report offers data on carcinogenicity,
> genotoxicity, biological mechanism, potential for human exposure, and
> existing Federal regulations to limit exposures. This site is also
> reviewed
> in the January 10, 2003 _NSDL Life Sciences Report_. [RS]
>
best regards
>
> Craig
>
> --------------------------------------
> Craig Sinclair
> The Cancer Council Victoria
> 1 Rathdowne Street
> Carlton Victoria 3053
> Australia
> *+61 (0)3 9635 5152
> Mobile 0418 315 337
> www.cancervic.org.au
>

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Old 01-17-2003, 04:54 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Social scientist... specialty propaganda... ?

We need a few of THEM on our side! Jeepers. ITA should hire one, eh?

Rumor has it that a MED will soon become 180 J/m WORLDWIDE, and an EAS halfway between FDA & Diffey will define Eeff dose. Also Europe will adopt 320 nm as top of UVB rather than 315 nm. Time will tell.

Meanwhile the yearly sunscare hype has already begun, with even more emphasis on indoor tanning than last year. FTC needs convincing to SHUT down some of their FALSE "advertising", which includes disproved sound bytes like:

1. Accumulating 80% of lifetime UV by age 18.

2. Ten minutes in a sunbed is the same as a whole day on the beach.

If FTC won't stop this, then they should have no authority to gag our messages on positive effect of UVR.
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Old 01-18-2003, 09:45 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Steve:

As Robbie would say, "Goodonya!" Turn Akin, Gump loose on the FTC. The resulting billing frenzy
would surely result in more wood paneling in the
partners' offices, but probably have little effect
on their monolithic federal opponents

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Old 01-18-2003, 09:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Mitzi - That's a great idea. Perhaps someone should start putting tanning salons next to Outback Steakhouses. With waiting times averaging 30 - 45 minutes, I would think the salon owner would clean up in the evenings.



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