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Tan Talker · 02-04-2006, 04:16 PM

HOT, please understand these are just opinions, some based on research and some based on experience. Some are valid, some may not be. Let’s face it anyone can make claims, and anyone can contradict those claims. That is how the system works. Let’s face it neither one of us holds a medical nor photo chemistry degree, at least not me. It is all marketing.

I am not really talking to participate in any game, but what I say must hold some relevance or you wouldn’t be accusing me of blowing smoke. I believe I said we have a medical grade LED device; yes it is an Intense Pulsed Light device, but not a laser. Whether you call it LED intense pulsed light or LED photo modulation the claims and basic operation are the same. Ours has to touch the face to do the job.

To say that only 3 LED devices work and only those that are associated with one company shows your lack of research. Unless you are a distributor for them. Independently tested by whom and to what actual results?

My happy *** is too busy to drive anywhere but service calls right now, but I do know that everyone’s skin is not the same. Results will vary and even our medical device makes no guarantees as to degree of success. I am not saying your customers aren’t satisfied, that is great if they are.

Could ya just save us all some time and post your figures so we don’t have to drive? It’s your blackboard my friend you can write anything you want on it.
From your website: Very nice one indeed.

91% Overall dramatic improvement in the appearance of skin

72% Skin feels dramatically smoother
60% Dramatic reduction in fine lines and wrinkles
57% Skin feels dramatically softer
55% Skin feels dramatically firmer

Depending on your definition of the word dramatic in relation to expectations only a 60% find a ‘dramatic’ reduction in fine lines and wrinkles, which is a visible check, the rest is just ‘feeling’ with only 55 to 57% ‘feeling’ softer and firmer. These results are taken from use of products with the light therapy so how much does the non medical light do and how much does the product cause these ‘feelings’

All natural,( physicial) grade, photoceuticals and nutraceuticals ensure the skin is receiving the necessary vitamin and nutrient building blocks needed to produce the collagen and elastin at the rate an individuals skin is attempting when
stimulated by the light energy.

This statement seems to indicate that the products are needed to ‘ensure’ the skin is receiving the necessary building blocks needed to produce the necessary collagen and elastin at some rate of attempting something when stimulated by the light energy. A bit confusing, but the point is the results are driven by the product. In other words the products provide the vitamins and nutrients ‘needed’ to produce the collagen and elastin at that rate thing, which doesn’t sound very scientific to me. There is a lot of BS in any marketing campaign as we all know.

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"Our Doctor is a Dermatologist/Internist who researched LED therapy and equipment"
So he know more than the "father" of PAT, Dr. Colin Whitehurst? Who left the Paterson Cancer Institute in the UK for form PTL; the maker of Omnilux and Lumiere. The only company in the world to have documentation that has been medically evaluated and peer reviewed. I have meet many derms, some are up to date and some are not.

As I mentioned before he did extensive research, he spends thousands a year on his on continuing education, and I don’t know many outside of a limited circle who might know Dr. Whitehurst or The Paterson Cancer Institute in the UK for that matter. Can you document that they are the only company in the world to have the documentation you speak of and who the peers where who did the evaluations and could you post the results of said review please? Our doctor is very up to date in the anti-aging field and is working on his own products soon. Don’t some doctors do that, leave their field for the business of selling machines and products? I bet you have never heard of Dr. Peter Wolff either, the preeminent light wave engineer from Germany, but I digress.

[quote]"Unless you are a licensed skincare facility or medically supervised facility carefully consider bringing in devices that make medical claims"
We have NEVER made any medical claims, we don't even refer to Acne as "acne", we say "Problematic skin"[quote]

Obviously, I wasn’t directing any of this at you personally. I have never met you and did not know you had this machine until you responded, don’t take it personally, and it is just my opinion to which I am entitled.

[quote]You need to check your facts before speaking.[quote]

I did!!

Glad to hear you are making so much money anyways, that is what we are all here for and I hope you don’t take all of this personally. I don’t get angry when a prospect buys another brand of bed after I have done my pitch. Everybody has different perspectives and I was just voicing mine. We did look at the luminere device and it was just not for us.