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I recently opened up a Salon and decided to go with Heartland 134 without the facials. I really like the way they look etc and have read good things about them and the company., but as far as out put they really are not doing great. I have tanned in my years and I know that when I get in a bed that has new lamps it should really cook me. But from day one these really havent. Which got me worried and thus I added buck boosters on all the beds do to the fact that we have 3 phase electrial. Still really did get me that red. Never have they performed well at all!

I bought a UV meter and they were all at about 24 when I first got them and now they are 20 to 21.

Now all the beds have about 150 hours on them and some customers are coming out feeling like they didnt get anything. The lamps we are using are the ones that came with the beds. Ever glow H4C8-71/100 - do these just suck and need to be replaced. It kills me that I bought brand new beds just to have the lamps replaced!!

What can I do?? thanks with any input!!

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So the lamps they sent out with these beds are just JUNK.

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Also what lamp do you recommend to go in these beds..

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I have the ovation 34/3 and recently I put in VLR TT LAMPS (cosmolux 100 watt)in the bed & it rocks, they are a little more pricy but they will give your clients what you are looking for.

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yes the lamps suck i have a 164/4 these beds are very good use cosmolux and make sure the booster are right take a voltage reading at the bed

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I have the cosmolux vlr's in my 134's and the customers love them. These are the lamps that came with the 15 min version.

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I have the cosmolux vlr's in my 134's and the customers love them. These are the lamps that came with the 15 min version.




Why the heck did mine come with these cramp lambs - does ANYONE use them???? that is a ? I am going to ask Heartland tomorrow.

I feel like such a sucker - having to change bulbs after 150 hours....

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Are you sure you're getting the correct voltage going into the room?

That I did check - my electrical guy who did the work is really good. He had to go back and check out every buck booster - the guy who originally hooked up the boosters, who is a Heartland person - didnt even GROUND the boosters. I would have NEVER passed inspection.

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If you had bought the 15 min version you would have got the vlr's.

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If you had bought the 15 min version you would have got the vlr's.




For some reason - people around this area only like 20 minutes - they feel like are not getting there $$ worth. So will those lambs VLR work in my 20 beds and what do those go for a piece? Also will the UV meter really pop now??

Sorry for so many questions....

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Still really did get me that red. Never have they performed well at all!



First off, why do you want to get red?

Next, I have 3 of these beds plus other Heartland beds and LOVE them. My 134s are also the 15 min version and also use the VLR Cosmolux. If you are in a state that requires lamp compatibility, you can not use a 15 minute lamp in a 20 minute bed. I have used the EverGlo and Velocity in my Heartland 20 minute beds and both did fine.

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Still really did get me that red. Never have they performed well at all!



First off, why do you want to get red?

Next, I have 3 of these beds plus other Heartland beds and LOVE them. My 134s are also the 15 min version and also use the VLR Cosmolux. If you are in a state that requires lamp compatibility, you can not use a 15 minute lamp in a 20 minute bed. I have used the EverGlo and Velocity in my Heartland 20 minute beds and both did fine.





I might have mis spoke - its not really the redness as it is of a feeling like you just came out of a tanning bed...with these lamps you get a feeling "Was I just in a tanning bed for 20 minutes???" Hope you know what I am saying. I have tanned for years and if any bed that I have gotten in had NEW lamps I would not be able to stay in for 20 minutes because of getting too much - not with the 134 with the lamps I got.

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We're considering buying these and have a standing order for a few to add Level 2 beds to our existing salon. So, is everyone happy with the 34/3 15 minutes version? There's no way I'm dropping a few $$k to rebulb a new bed.
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You shold be very happy with the 134 vlr/3 Johnny. I have the same beds only without the facials and never had a complaint yet.

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Listen, it seems to me that nobody is answering the question you are asking. I have ALL Heartland Equipment, and have the 134/3 VLR (15 min. version with reflectors and 3 facials). The bed you have is a 20 minute bed, and doesnt have reflectors or facial lamps. It is basically the same thing as a regular ovation 128, but with 6 more lamps. Now that you know that, and you know that your clients are demanding a little more UVB (wich causes a little reddenning) -you need to choose a lamp that fits that. Call John @ URI (Ultra Violet Resources), and tell him what you think you need, and he will steer you in the right direction. If you want my recommendation, I say you use Desert Sun lamps by Light Sources, or Hi-Tan by cosmedico. These are the lamps we put in our regular beds, and they absolutely kick azz. When I bought my beds from heartland, they came with Ever Glo lamps in them, which I ended up throwing away after a month- cuz they sucked!! You get the best bang for your buck with the Light Sources brand..... JMHO
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We're considering buying these and have a standing order for a few to add Level 2 beds to our existing salon. So, is everyone happy with the 34/3 15 minutes version? There's no way I'm dropping a few $$k to rebulb a new bed.





You can't go wrong with the 34/3 , the acrylics are easy to remove & so are the facials. My clients love this bed. It is the 15 min. It will last a very long time.


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Listen, it seems to me that nobody is answering the question you are asking. I have ALL Heartland Equipment, and have the 134/3 VLR (15 min. version with reflectors and 3 facials). The bed you have is a 20 minute bed, and doesnt have reflectors or facial lamps. It is basically the same thing as a regular ovation 128, but with 6 more lamps. Now that you know that, and you know that your clients are demanding a little more UVB (wich causes a little reddenning) -you need to choose a lamp that fits that. Call John @ URI (Ultra Violet Resources), and tell him what you think you need, and he will steer you in the right direction. If you want my recommendation, I say you use Desert Sun lamps by Light Sources, or Hi-Tan by cosmedico. These are the lamps we put in our regular beds, and they absolutely kick azz. When I bought my beds from heartland, they came with Ever Glo lamps in them, which I ended up throwing away after a month- cuz they sucked!! You get the best bang for your buck with the Light Sources brand..... JMHO



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I recently opened up a Salon and decided to go with Heartland 134 without the facials. I really like the way they look etc and have read good things about them and the company., but as far as out put they really are not doing great. I have tanned in my years and I know that when I get in a bed that has new lamps it should really cook me. But from day one these really havent. Which got me worried and thus I added buck boosters on all the beds do to the fact that we have 3 phase electrial. Still really did get me that red. Never have they performed well at all!

I bought a UV meter and they were all at about 24 when I first got them and now they are 20 to 21.

Now all the beds have about 150 hours on them and some customers are coming out feeling like they didnt get anything. The lamps we are using are the ones that came with the beds. Ever glow H4C8-71/100 - do these just suck and need to be replaced. It kills me that I bought brand new beds just to have the lamps replaced!!

What can I do?? thanks with any input!!

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So the lamps they sent out with these beds are just JUNK.

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On 2005-08-31 18:05:00, movieking wrote:
I have the cosmolux vlr's in my 134's and the customers love them. These are the lamps that came with the 15 min version.




Why the heck did mine come with these cramp lambs - does ANYONE use them???? that is a ? I am going to ask Heartland tomorrow.

I feel like such a sucker - having to change bulbs after 150 hours....

Mark

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Are you sure you're getting the correct voltage going into the room?

That I did check - my electrical guy who did the work is really good. He had to go back and check out every buck booster - the guy who originally hooked up the boosters, who is a Heartland person - didnt even GROUND the boosters. I would have NEVER passed inspection.

Mark

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On 2005-08-31 18:51:00, movieking wrote:
If you had bought the 15 min version you would have got the vlr's.




For some reason - people around this area only like 20 minutes - they feel like are not getting there $$ worth. So will those lambs VLR work in my 20 beds and what do those go for a piece? Also will the UV meter really pop now??

Sorry for so many questions....

Mark

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Still really did get me that red. Never have they performed well at all!



First off, why do you want to get red?

Next, I have 3 of these beds plus other Heartland beds and LOVE them. My 134s are also the 15 min version and also use the VLR Cosmolux. If you are in a state that requires lamp compatibility, you can not use a 15 minute lamp in a 20 minute bed. I have used the EverGlo and Velocity in my Heartland 20 minute beds and both did fine.

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Still really did get me that red. Never have they performed well at all!



First off, why do you want to get red?

Next, I have 3 of these beds plus other Heartland beds and LOVE them. My 134s are also the 15 min version and also use the VLR Cosmolux. If you are in a state that requires lamp compatibility, you can not use a 15 minute lamp in a 20 minute bed. I have used the EverGlo and Velocity in my Heartland 20 minute beds and both did fine.





I might have mis spoke - its not really the redness as it is of a feeling like you just came out of a tanning bed...with these lamps you get a feeling "Was I just in a tanning bed for 20 minutes???" Hope you know what I am saying. I have tanned for years and if any bed that I have gotten in had NEW lamps I would not be able to stay in for 20 minutes because of getting too much - not with the 134 with the lamps I got.

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We're considering buying these and have a standing order for a few to add Level 2 beds to our existing salon. So, is everyone happy with the 34/3 15 minutes version? There's no way I'm dropping a few $$k to rebulb a new bed.
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You shold be very happy with the 134 vlr/3 Johnny. I have the same beds only without the facials and never had a complaint yet.

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Listen, it seems to me that nobody is answering the question you are asking. I have ALL Heartland Equipment, and have the 134/3 VLR (15 min. version with reflectors and 3 facials). The bed you have is a 20 minute bed, and doesnt have reflectors or facial lamps. It is basically the same thing as a regular ovation 128, but with 6 more lamps. Now that you know that, and you know that your clients are demanding a little more UVB (wich causes a little reddenning) -you need to choose a lamp that fits that. Call John @ URI (Ultra Violet Resources), and tell him what you think you need, and he will steer you in the right direction. If you want my recommendation, I say you use Desert Sun lamps by Light Sources, or Hi-Tan by cosmedico. These are the lamps we put in our regular beds, and they absolutely kick azz. When I bought my beds from heartland, they came with Ever Glo lamps in them, which I ended up throwing away after a month- cuz they sucked!! You get the best bang for your buck with the Light Sources brand..... JMHO
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We're considering buying these and have a standing order for a few to add Level 2 beds to our existing salon. So, is everyone happy with the 34/3 15 minutes version? There's no way I'm dropping a few $$k to rebulb a new bed.





You can't go wrong with the 34/3 , the acrylics are easy to remove & so are the facials. My clients love this bed. It is the 15 min. It will last a very long time.


I wonder if he can change the chip in it to a 15 min. ???

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On 2005-09-01 13:28:00, jkonturas wrote:
Listen, it seems to me that nobody is answering the question you are asking. I have ALL Heartland Equipment, and have the 134/3 VLR (15 min. version with reflectors and 3 facials). The bed you have is a 20 minute bed, and doesnt have reflectors or facial lamps. It is basically the same thing as a regular ovation 128, but with 6 more lamps. Now that you know that, and you know that your clients are demanding a little more UVB (wich causes a little reddenning) -you need to choose a lamp that fits that. Call John @ URI (Ultra Violet Resources), and tell him what you think you need, and he will steer you in the right direction. If you want my recommendation, I say you use Desert Sun lamps by Light Sources, or Hi-Tan by cosmedico. These are the lamps we put in our regular beds, and they absolutely kick azz. When I bought my beds from heartland, they came with Ever Glo lamps in them, which I ended up throwing away after a month- cuz they sucked!! You get the best bang for your buck with the Light Sources brand..... JMHO



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